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12/20/06 chat log

12:45 You decline Millions of Us Holiday Gala from A group member named Baccara Millionsofus.

12:45 Bob Arctor: I saw death rising from the earth, from the ground itself, in one blue field.

12:46 The Infinite Mind-outdoor auditorium

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12:50 Ruby Glitter: Hey Drew

12:51 Ruby Glitter: Can we use this corner?

12:51 Ruby Glitter: or do you have a place in mind

12:51 Drew Frobozz: yes there should already be a corner

12:51 Ruby Glitter: there's a yearly kos and terllon areas I saw

12:51 Ruby Glitter: oh cool.

12:52 Ruby Glitter: i hdan't seen that,

12:52 Ruby Glitter: Cool.

12:52 Drew Frobozz: look like a good corner?

12:53 Ruby Glitter: I'll start making seats if you send an announcement out.

12:53 Ruby Glitter: Sure~

12:53 Drew Frobozz: great

12:53 Ruby Glitter: I ahve a few seats, let me see hwat they are...

12:54 Drew Frobozz: how do I create an attachment for this location to attach to the notice?

12:54 Ruby Glitter: make a landmark to here, and then drag it into the the notice.

12:56 Drew Frobozz: Landmark as in an object?

12:57 Ruby Glitter: no as in landmark. ;-)

12:57 Ruby Glitter: go to the World menu.

12:57 Ruby Glitter: "Create landmark here"

12:57 Ruby Glitter: then it automatically shows up in the Landmarks folder in your inventory.

12:59 Ruby Glitter: Where's a good spot?

12:59 Ruby Glitter: Also what's up w/. this box?

13:00 Drew Frobozz: unintentional

13:00 Drew Frobozz: remove

13:00 Ruby Glitter: I can't

13:01 You decline Free Area! W00t!, Progressive Island (184, 61, 25) from A group member named Drew Frobozz.

13:01 Drew Frobozz: hey errcheck!

13:01 Drew Frobozz: hey Ana!

13:01 Ruby Glitter: RootsCamp is Back? where did it go? :-)

13:01 Ruby Glitter: Hey y'all!

13:01 errcheck Hicks: New Island!

13:01 Drew Frobozz: sorry poor choice of words

13:01 errcheck Hicks: Hi Ruby

13:02 errcheck Hicks: Didn't we vote for Thursday!!! lol

13:02 Amos Nykvist: i'm stuck in a seated position

13:02 errcheck Hicks: Try sitting on something else then stand up

13:02 Ruby Glitter: I had that problem, Amos.

13:03 errcheck Hicks: nope

13:03 Amos Nykvist: nope

13:03 Ruby Glitter: I had to log out and restart SL.

13:03 Ana Herzog: Amos is my friend

13:03 Ruby Glitter: Hi heyduke.

13:03 errcheck Hicks: Hi Amos

13:03 Ruby Glitter: Hi RiverSong!

13:03 RiverSong Garden: Hello all :) thought I'd check out y our new digs :)

13:03 Amos Nykvist: Hey

13:03 Ana Herzog: these folks are my progressive friends

13:03 Ruby Glitter: This is Drew's new island. Not much here yet.

13:03 errcheck Hicks: Ah, the wide open spaces

13:03 Hayduke Ebisu: i seem to be frozen

13:03 RiverSong Garden: congrats Drew :)

13:03 Ana Herzog: under tools at the top of the screen Amos, try stop all animations

13:04 Hayduke Ebisu: there we go

13:04 Amos Nykvist: nope

13:04 Hayduke Ebisu: heh... drew seems to have lots of new projects

13:04 Amos Nykvist: didn't work

13:04 Hayduke Ebisu: you part of SciLand, drew?

13:04 Drew Frobozz: yup

13:04 Amos Nykvist: I'll just stay seated

13:04 Ana Herzog: lol

13:04 Drew Frobozz: Sciland and NASA CoLab / Space CoLab

13:04 Ana Herzog: cool

13:05 Hayduke Ebisu: what's secret seductions?

13:05 Ana Herzog: where do you see that?

13:05 Hayduke Ebisu: the islands to the ne of here

13:05 Ana Herzog: ah...

13:06 Drew Frobozz: hrm that wasn't there I don't think when we reserved this one

13:06 Drew Frobozz: we'll have to move :(

13:06 Drew Frobozz: move this island that is

13:06 Hayduke Ebisu: that's why I like being with the info island folks... the Lindens have them in the new edu restricted area of the grid

13:06 Hayduke Ebisu: keeps the pornsters and casinos away

13:06 Ruby Glitter: you might get some nice flyby traffic, Drew.

13:06 RiverSong Garden: LOL

13:06 Drew Frobozz: heh

13:07 Ruby Glitter: ;-)

13:07 Drew Frobozz: we'll secretly seduce people into Progressive Politics...

13:07 RiverSong Garden: hmmm turns taperecorder on.....do go on Drew LOL

13:08 Ruby Glitter: Heh.

13:08 Ruby Glitter: Hey, Nobody. Good you see you again.

13:09 Drew Frobozz: nobody is working w/ Trellon to help build this island out. Trellon is donating 50% of it to YearlyKos, RootsCamp assuming we want it, and any other worthy charitable Progressive group.

13:09 Drew Frobozz: to do whatever we will with

13:09 Nobody Fugazi waves

13:09 Drew Frobozz: except no secret seductions on this land please

13:09 Hayduke Ebisu: only overt ones?

13:09 Hayduke Ebisu: lol

13:10 errcheck Hicks: I have put together a list, a work in progress, into that box on the ground, you should be able to copu it out

13:10 Drew Frobozz: 'zactly Hayduke

13:10 Nobody Fugazi: O.o

13:10 Ana Herzog: lure em in any way you can

13:10 Drew Frobozz: ok thanks

13:10 RiverSong Garden: well I must fly :) nice to see you all again...and congrats on your new home :)

13:10 Nobody Fugazi: If we catch people doing stuff, we'll take pictures LOL

13:10 errcheck Hicks: Thanks River

13:10 Ruby Glitter: Thanks for stopping by Riversong.

13:10 Ana Herzog: hi and later riversong

13:10 Dayglo Maladay: Hello, all

13:11 Ana Herzog: Hi

13:11 Amos Nykvist: Hey

13:11 errcheck Hicks: The list contains charity and progressive sites

13:12 Ana Herzog: errcheck you are Good

13:12 errcheck Hicks: Please feed me more info on good sites to visit

13:12 Ana Herzog: will do

13:13 errcheck Hicks: So what's on the agenda

13:13 Ruby Glitter: Drew are you facilitating this time? I did it last week.

13:13 Drew Frobozz: and let any good progressive group that might need space know that there's a possibility here for free

13:13 Nobody Fugazi: grr. sim's full over there.

13:13 Hayduke Ebisu: we should keep a list of all of the places there are for progressive orgs to go now

13:13 Hayduke Ebisu: betterworld, commonwealth, here, probably lots of other places

13:14 errcheck Hicks: The list I put in the box is a start

13:14 Drew Frobozz: yep-

13:14 Ana Herzog: bueno

13:14 Drew Frobozz: would be great to have some sort of inter-progressive-island teleport hub perhaps

13:14 Ana Herzog: yeah

13:14 errcheck Hicks: We also need a nice looking vendor for the list

13:14 Drew Frobozz: or, like Scilands, eventually move them all together

13:14 Hayduke Ebisu: lo

13:14 Hayduke Ebisu: lol

13:15 Hayduke Ebisu: yeah... that was the idea drew

13:15 Drew Frobozz: and a good idea it was

13:15 Hayduke Ebisu: the problem of course seems to be what we all don't like to talk about much in our circles

13:15 Hayduke Ebisu: which is the egos associated with the organizers of such things

13:15 Ana Herzog: We are GOOD

13:15 Hayduke Ebisu: there's tons of free space for progressive orgs already in SL

13:16 Hayduke Ebisu: did we really need another?

13:16 Ana Herzog: network network network

13:16 Ana Herzog: it might be handy to have different spots

13:16 Drew Frobozz: this island was bought for and by one of my companies that needs space to test it's own stuff-- mashing up Drupal and SL, for example.

13:16 Drew Frobozz: but doesn't need a whole island and so is donating 50% of it.

13:17 Hayduke Ebisu: sciland is another example of that ego stuff playing out

13:17 Drew Frobozz: if we Rootscamp and other groups don't want it, no problem! :)

13:17 Ana Herzog: for slightly different missions

13:17 Drew Frobozz: glad to meet elsewhere

13:17 Ana Herzog: build it and they will come

13:17 Drew Frobozz: but we couldn't stay permanently on Better World Island apparently

13:17 Drew Frobozz: also I wanted an explicitly Progressive in the political sense place

13:17 Dayglo Maladay: Drew, that's a very generous thing to do

13:17 Drew Frobozz: a lot of good spaces are non-partisan.

13:17 Ruby Glitter: Oops, I didn't mean tot take that box.

13:18 Drew Frobozz: you think Scilands isn't going well Hayduke?

13:18 errcheck Hicks: Space is good for builds, so what to build?

13:18 Drew Frobozz: wearing my NASA hat, I think it's great to cross-pollinate like that

13:18 Hayduke Ebisu: I think Scilands is happening because some people's egos got bruised

13:18 Hayduke Ebisu: by the folks at the Info island Archipelago

13:19 Ana Herzog: does anyone know if Progressive democrats has any sl connectiion?

13:19 errcheck Hicks: What is Scilands?

13:19 Hayduke Ebisu: there is already a head of steam there around science content and a commitment to it that was well known

13:19 Drew Frobozz: hrm don't really understand or know the backstory... but I'm kind of excited about it (SciLands)

13:19 Hayduke Ebisu: unfortunately it seems it is inevitable that SL will evolve like the web itself

13:19 Drew Frobozz: hrm I'll look into that Hayduke. Thanks for the heads-up

13:19 Hayduke Ebisu: disassociated silos of similar information

13:20 Hayduke Ebisu: yeah... ask Davee Commerce

13:20 Ana Herzog: redundancy is the key to communication (per my grad linguistics course)

13:20 Hayduke Ebisu: coordinated redundancy can be great, ana

13:20 errcheck Hicks: Say again!

13:20 Drew Frobozz: well, a Web is just that-- multiple paths between nodes, so some dispersion, some cohesion at different places and times.

13:20 Ruby Glitter: l-)

13:20 Ruby Glitter: yeah the web sucks, can't get anything done there.

13:20 Ruby Glitter: JK!

13:21 Ana Herzog: lol

13:21 Hayduke Ebisu: fragmentation in emerging technologies seems to be a passion for progressives

13:21 Dayglo Maladay:

13:21 Ruby Glitter: that's a standard republican talking point

13:21 Ruby Glitter: others see it as diversity and a strength

13:21 Ana Herzog: it is natural -- new niches promote expansion.... eventually some will die off and the ones that reproduce will fill the space

13:21 Hayduke Ebisu: ruby... I'm not talking about a diversity of viewpoints

13:22 Hayduke Ebisu: I'm talking about reinventing wheels, redoing infrastructure for the wrong reasons

13:22 Ana Herzog: we need coordination

13:22 Ana Herzog: and i have a project if anyone is interested

13:22 Amos Nykvist: a project?

13:22 Drew Frobozz: Hey Aldon!

13:22 Ruby Glitter: I think it would be cool to create a hub or network of pregressive peopel and/ir places in SL. not sure what the best venue for it is.

13:23 Ruby Glitter: yesm ana?

13:23 Ana Herzog: for January 27th

13:23 Ruby Glitter: Big march in DC

13:23 Ana Herzog: when all the folks are gathering in DC

13:23 Ana Herzog: yeppers

13:23 Ana Herzog: we need something here

13:23 errcheck Hicks: yes!

13:23 Ana Herzog: maybe here

13:23 Ana Herzog: maybe commonwealth

13:24 Ana Herzog: anyone interested

13:24 errcheck Hicks: !!

13:24 Ana Herzog: try to get some speakers from each group

13:24 Hayduke Ebisu: definitely... we should do something in SL

13:24 Ana Herzog: at least with recorded messages

13:24 Drew Frobozz: one value of putting progressive islands into an archipelago of course would be ability to accomodate larger crowds for an event across multiple sims

13:24 Hayduke Ebisu: at least promote it, if not have a parallel event for folks who can't go to dc

13:24 Ana Herzog: yes

13:25 Ruby Glitter: i will probably be in DC, so not in SL myself.

13:25 Ana Herzog: codepink has tossed around the idea of a regatta

13:25 Ana Herzog: sailing around sl

13:25 errcheck Hicks: I went to the Poser Release Party, 10 sites, nobody there.....!?

13:25 Aldon Huffhines: I have no idea what my life will be like by the 27th!

13:25 Aldon Huffhines: That said, I like the idea of at least having something here.

13:25 Ana Herzog: lol.... me neither

13:25 Aldon Huffhines: Even if it is simply setting things up so that people in DC can post pictures that will show up here...

13:26 Ana Herzog: can we sail from the mainland to here?

13:26 Aldon Huffhines: A sort of pictures and graffitti kiosk

13:26 errcheck Hicks: A Virtual March could be done in small groups, and thru polular locations

13:26 Hayduke Ebisu: we've been working on a flickr feed into here

13:26 Hayduke Ebisu: which would be an easy way to do it

13:26 Aldon Huffhines: Yeah, I'm very interested in a Flickr to SL feed....

13:27 Dayglo Maladay: I was given an RSS image display a few weeks ago that could do that, Hayduke

13:27 Ana Herzog: we could set sail to progress from here where the stuff could be images, podcst links, feeds

13:27 Hayduke Ebisu: very cool... I would love to chat with you about that

13:27 Ana Herzog: :-)

13:27 Ana Herzog: metaphor is good

13:28 Ana Herzog: have the event here and disperse though sl

13:28 Hayduke Ebisu: ana... I don't think avatars can directly travel from the mainland to here (or any private island) without using teleport

13:28 Ruby Glitter: Hey Viggo.

13:28 Hayduke Ebisu: but there is a ton of good places to do that within the mainland

13:28 Viggo Engebretsen: sorry to be late. wasn't home. but i'll catch up.

13:28 Drew Frobozz: hi Viggo!

13:28 Ana Herzog: darn it!

13:28 Ana Herzog: hi viggo

13:29 Drew Frobozz: how about posting project/event ideas like that for RootsCamp/SL Netroots to help with on the wiki?

13:29 Ana Herzog: that'd work

13:29 errcheck Hicks: Yes!

13:29 errcheck Hicks: Promoting the march beforehand is needed

13:29 Drew Frobozz: another one I'm going to need a TON of help with is trying to run the YearlyKos convention in July here concurrent with the convention in Chicago in July...

13:30 Ana Herzog: yes... think of the jan event as a test drive

13:30 Ana Herzog: just tell me to shut up if i'm being too mouthy

13:30 Ana Herzog: lol

13:30 Drew Frobozz: :) YearlyKosConvention.org is a Drupal site and hopefully we'll have some good Drupal-SL integration done by then to assist.

13:31 Ana Herzog: so if we have drupal website can we connect to sl and visa versa?

13:32 Drew Frobozz: That's the idea. See who is online in the other online community platform at any given time, easier cross-posting of content, etc.

13:32 Ana Herzog: cool

13:32 Drew Frobozz: To my mind they're two of the most effective-- but very different and complementary-- online organizing platforms

13:32 Drew Frobozz: we already have a module showing on a Drupal site when your SL avatar is online.

13:32 Drew Frobozz: in SL

13:32 Ruby Glitter: Cool. where can i get that module?

13:32 Ana Herzog: create the infrastructure and people will use it

13:33 Drew Frobozz: Nobody Fugazi

13:33 Ana Herzog: really. i want it too

13:33 Drew Frobozz: and will go into Drupal contribs of course

13:33 Aldon Huffhines: Drew, let me know about these offline, I would love to try them on my Drupal sites

13:33 Drew Frobozz: YearlyKos and everything is volunteer, but Trellon is giving him some contract work to push the Drupal-SL envelope and release code

13:33 Dayglo Maladay: That's fantastic

13:34 Dayglo Maladay: When's it scheduled to go into contrib?

13:34 Drew Frobozz: I can't wait. Tip of the iceberg-- if you have ideas of what would be feasible and useful, definitely let him (and me) know

13:34 Drew Frobozz: I'd have to ask him-- I know he's expanding it's functionality regularly

13:34 Drew Frobozz: but I'm sure he can get it to you now in its current form if you ask him

13:35 Drew Frobozz: So this is great. The agenda I had was:

13:35 Dayglo Maladay: thx, drew

13:35 Drew Frobozz: So, proposed agenda for the day-- 1) land-use planning/decision-making for a permanent RootsCampSL home, 2) choose a permanent date/time for weekly RootsCamps, 3) RootsCampDC (if people are interested), 4) Brainstorming what RootsCampSL/SL Netroots can accomplish over the next month.

13:35 Drew Frobozz: we've already done a bit of 1) and 4), but what else does anyone want to discuss?

13:36 errcheck Hicks: other announcements

13:36 Drew Frobozz: ok great.

13:37 Ana Herzog: and questions...

13:37 Drew Frobozz: so 1). For anyone who wasn't here at the beginning, we have this space available to us permanently now if we want it,or if anyone has another permanent location proposal we can consider that too.

13:37 Dayglo Maladay: Typical of me... the moment an agenda's on the table, I have to fly.

13:37 Dayglo Maladay: Take care, all

13:37 Drew Frobozz: But i'd love to finalize a spot and really build a nice home-- feature good projects here that Netrootsers are working on in RL, etc.

13:37 Ana Herzog: Peace.

13:37 errcheck Hicks: bye Dayglo

13:37 Drew Frobozz: thanks Dayglo

13:38 Viggo Engebretsen: i love a good crash. sorry folks

13:38 Hayduke Ebisu: Commonwealth is always available as a spot for rootscamp...

13:38 Hayduke Ebisu: we currently have code pink and the ACLU

13:38 Ana Herzog: :-)

13:38 Hayduke Ebisu: happy to have more lefties there... it's free

13:38 Ruby Glitter: national ACLU or a chapter?

13:38 Aldon Huffhines: I'm interested in different spaces that can be used for Machinima, which I hope will include both commonwealth island and progressive island

13:39 Hayduke Ebisu: they are opening a SL ACLU chapter

13:39 Hayduke Ebisu: kind of cool

13:39 Ruby Glitter: That is cool. Do you knwo whose working on it? they'r eone of my clients.

13:39 Ruby Glitter: I was plannign to talk SL up to them. May not have to!

13:39 Hayduke Ebisu: Little Gray is coordinating it through the national, I believe

13:39 Hayduke Ebisu: a special project of the board or something

13:39 Ruby Glitter: Thanks,.

13:40 Drew Frobozz: cool! :) how much space is available? also, any thought of creating an archipelago? for big events like YearlyKos, there is going to be a major capacity issue and it'd be great to have events span multiple sims

13:40 Hayduke Ebisu: drew... definitely

13:40 Hayduke Ebisu: we're very open to having other progressive islands border us

13:40 Drew Frobozz: we're going to have to move this ship away from Seductive whatever to the Northeast here anyway...

13:40 Hayduke Ebisu: we offered to Betterworld a while ago

13:41 Hayduke Ebisu: if you are interested, I'd be thrilled for a cool neighbor...

13:42 Hayduke Ebisu: I've been a big proponent of geographically clustering orgs in SL so it is easier for "the masses" to find/learn/explore and then act

13:42 Drew Frobozz: I would adore that. only thing is that as I said at the beginning since a company is paying the fees for this island they/we are going to use 50% of it (in a non-intrusive way-- will screen it off) for testing out stuff-- almost all for progressive clients anyway, but would want to make sure you're ok w/ that if we move it adjacent.

13:43 errcheck Hicks: That is a good idea, but I am not sure how much trouble relocating an entire sim is?

13:43 Drew Frobozz: it's just $$$ I think

13:43 Hayduke Ebisu: well... let's talk out of band about that... ok?

13:43 Drew Frobozz: ok sounds good

13:43 Hayduke Ebisu: very easy, errcheck

13:43 Hayduke Ebisu: you don't even have to update landmarks

13:44 Drew Frobozz: so shall we defer a decision on RootsCamp permanent home until Hayduke and I chat further? Or just start building here? Ruby?

13:44 errcheck Hicks: I don't see any reason not to do it, but it is up to the landwoners

13:44 Hayduke Ebisu: and, since we're in the protected part of the grid, you can't get squatted out of expansion by unrelated neighbors

13:44 Ruby Glitter: Well I don't reacall us having had a serious conversation about whether we needed an island and what we would do with it.

13:44 Ruby Glitter: I'm all for discussion.

13:44 Drew Frobozz: we spoke about a permanent home is all

13:44 Drew Frobozz: that's all I care about.

13:45 Ana Herzog: at rootscamp there was discussion of different missions and goals

13:45 errcheck Hicks: Well a home needs architecture that supports the ideas

13:45 Ana Herzog: and a few different places to see that come to fruition

13:45 Drew Frobozz: definitely-- sounds like a good topic for discussion! :)

13:46 errcheck Hicks: Hey, Nobody's here!

13:46 Nobody Fugazi: :-)

13:46 Ruby Glitter: I'd like ot have some structure around it. it feels liek a big decision to me.

13:46 Multi Gadget v1.50.0 by Timeless Prototype

13:47 Drew Frobozz: sure. how best to proceed? collaboratively draft a statement of purpose and architectural plan on the wiki?

13:47 Ana Herzog: Seems reasonable

13:47 Ana Herzog: Keep it simple

13:47 Ruby Glitter: maybe Drew and I could draft some goals and then the group can discuss?

13:48 Hayduke Ebisu: agreed, ana... and iterate!

13:48 Hayduke Ebisu: you don't have to get it right the first time

13:48 Ana Herzog: exactamundo

13:48 Ana Herzog: getting off the ground is what is important

13:48 Ana Herzog: it is easier to ask for forgiveness than permission

13:49 Ana Herzog: but i'm a rabble rouser

13:49 Hayduke Ebisu: lol... I think we all are, anna!

13:49 Hayduke Ebisu: ana

13:49 Drew Frobozz: and for location, since RootsCamp will probably grow and get lots of concurrent avatars, we should flag any other considerations for ourselves, like how full a place will get, how prim heavy, etc. in Space CoLab we've already had crash issues.

13:49 errcheck Hicks: The Central Committee notes that...lol

13:49 Hayduke Ebisu: isn't that why we're here?

13:49 Hayduke Ebisu: lol

13:49 Ana Herzog: limit scripts no vendors

13:50 Drew Frobozz: anyone want to take charge of extending the wiki structure for this new content?

13:51 Drew Frobozz: or shall we just do that Ruby if we draft an initial stab at it/

13:51 Drew Frobozz: ?

13:51 Ana Herzog: not me.... i like vague guidelines --- then you can come down on unforeseen ego issues

13:51 errcheck Hicks: :)

13:52 Ruby Glitter: shoudl we move to a better wiki that' snot all tied up w/ other rootscamps?

13:52 Drew Frobozz: sure-- I can point RootsCampSL.org anywhere

13:53 Ruby Glitter: the current wiki is a bit annoying as you get updates from every rootscamp in the countrym etc.

13:53 Ana Herzog: yep that is why i unsubbed

13:54 Ana Herzog: i don't even read all the codepink stuff

13:54 Drew Frobozz: very. ok so I guess Ruby and I will take a stab at some vague ego-free Ana-approved 'guidethreads'? ;)

13:54 Ana Herzog: LOL

13:54 Ana Herzog: do what you like..... and i'll try not to say i told you so. rotfl

13:55 Ruby Glitter: ew, that's pretty left coast...

13:55 Drew Frobozz: we're more on the SouthEastern coast here on this island it looks like... that's your hood Ruby.

13:55 Ana Herzog: AZ next to the left coast

13:55 Ruby Glitter: yay.

13:55 Ruby Glitter: but you y'all don't sound liek you're from around here. ;-)

13:56 Ana Herzog: yer ain't from around here are yer?

13:56 Viggo Engebretsen: AZ the NEXT left coast.

13:56 Hayduke Ebisu: heh... I'm all east coast, ruby... lol

13:56 Hayduke Ebisu: not the south, though

13:56 Hayduke Ebisu: lol

13:56 errcheck Hicks: rofl

13:56 Drew Frobozz: ok 2)... so for RootsCamp meetings, Ruby sent out a proposal to move to Thursdays due to frequent Linden updates on Wednesdays...

13:56 Drew Frobozz: thoughts?

13:56 Viggo Engebretsen: thurs is better for me

13:56 Ana Herzog: probably a good plan

13:56 errcheck Hicks: Good for me

13:56 Hayduke Ebisu: definitely a good move

13:57 Ana Herzog: i have early afternoon open on thursday

13:57 Drew Frobozz: I have a Space CoLab meeting typically at 1pm SLT on Thursdays, but could try to move it

13:57 Drew Frobozz: or do we think Noon or 2pm SLT would be as good for RootsCamp?

13:57 Ana Herzog: i have a 4 p.m. meeting

13:57 errcheck Hicks: 12 or 2 ok by me

13:57 Ana Herzog: either

13:58 Viggo Engebretsen: 2 probably better for me, but anytime 1-3 is all right

13:58 Drew Frobozz: Glitterati?

13:58 errcheck Hicks: ?

13:58 Ruby Glitter: later than 1 SLT puts me outside work hours, which can be a problem.

13:58 Aldon Huffhines: Noon is probably better for me

13:58 errcheck Hicks: Noon

13:58 Ana Herzog: sounds like noon it is

13:59 Drew Frobozz: if 1pm is best for everyone else, I'll try to move my weekly CoLab mtg

13:59 Ruby Glitter: Drew will you be ok w meetings at noon and 1 back to back?

13:59 Drew Frobozz: it would force me at least to be concise! :)

13:59 Ana Herzog: keeping meetings short is good

13:59 Ana Herzog: i tend to start dropping banners after an hour

14:00 Drew Frobozz: Viggo, you can't do Noon?

14:00 Drew Frobozz: or 12:30?

14:00 Hayduke Ebisu: speaking of which... how long has this one lasted?

14:00 Drew Frobozz: 1 hour now

14:00 Ruby Glitter: why, it's been 60 minutes!

14:00 Ruby Glitter: good point.

14:00 Hayduke Ebisu: cue the banner, ana!

14:00 Hayduke Ebisu: lol

14:00 Drew Frobozz: lol

14:01 Drew Frobozz: Viggo-- no chance for Noon for you?

14:01 Viggo Engebretsen: noon will be alittel tight once school starts but it's ok for dec and jan

14:02 Drew Frobozz: Ok I'll check tomorrow re: moving my Space CoLab meeting, but for now shall we say Noon next Thursday for next meeting?

14:03 Drew Frobozz: though it's holiday time for many...

14:03 Ruby Glitter: actually i can't do noon tomorrow as I already have ameteing at 2:30 EST

14:03 Drew Frobozz: I was thinking the 28th

14:03 Ruby Glitter: oh you mean next week. or this wek?

14:03 Ruby Glitter: OK.

14:03 Ruby Glitter: miraculously, I *can* do that. i'm gone the whole rest of the week.

14:03 Hayduke Ebisu: how's about Ruby just decides based on all this feedback?

14:04 Hayduke Ebisu: we need some benevolent dictatorship right now... lol

14:04 Viggo Engebretsen: works for me

14:04 Drew Frobozz: great

14:04 Viggo Engebretsen: i'm kind of a '

14:04 Hayduke Ebisu: be the deciderer

14:04 Hayduke Ebisu: lol

14:04 Viggo Engebretsen: silent partner still

14:04 Ruby Glitter: well my prefernce is to not change it repeatedly.

14:04 Ruby Glitter: are we going to try thursdays at noon for a while?

14:04 Ana Herzog: i second that

14:04 errcheck Hicks: Aye

14:04 Ana Herzog: all in favor

14:04 Hayduke Ebisu: yes

14:04 Aldon Huffhines: Aye

14:04 Drew Frobozz: aye

14:05 Ruby Glitter: OK. let's do it!

14:05 Hayduke Ebisu: aye

14:05 Ana Herzog: now anyone want to form a sub action group

14:05 Ana Herzog: for planning the jan event

14:05 errcheck Hicks: Jan 27 YES!

14:05 Ana Herzog: errcheck is in

14:05 Ana Herzog: anyone else

14:05 Hayduke Ebisu: I'll help in any way that I can, ana

14:05 Viggo Engebretsen: yeah my uni doesn't start until teh 28th i think

14:05 Drew Frobozz: yes Ana.

14:06 Aldon Huffhines: I'll do what I can,but I have no idea what will be going on with me by then

14:06 Ruby Glitter: Upon further inspection of my calendar, I may have a conflict next week after all. Drew will you be here?

14:06 Hayduke Ebisu: ooh... I have an idea... is there going to be a video feed from the march?

14:06 Ana Herzog: cool.... hayduke and everyone else.... WOO HOO

14:06 Ana Herzog: yes a video feed

14:06 Hayduke Ebisu: if so... we could put it up on our sim-wide VR thing and have people gather there

14:06 Ana Herzog: COOL can we do that?

14:07 errcheck Hicks: hmmm interesting

14:07 Hayduke Ebisu: if there is a quicktime feed, yes

14:07 Ana Herzog: well we just need to contact UFPJ

14:07 Ruby Glitter: Is there any way i can help from DC?

14:07 Hayduke Ebisu: not sure how many people it will hold doing that (crash wise) but we could play around with it

14:07 Ana Herzog: yes if you connect with INdy Media there

14:07 Ana Herzog: you might be able to use their equipment

14:07 Hayduke Ebisu: ruby... we need to see if we can get a streaming quicktime feed of the rally/march

14:07 Ana Herzog: and CODEPINK will be there

14:08 Hayduke Ebisu: all you really need is someone with a broadband card on their laptop

14:08 Hayduke Ebisu: and a camera connected to it

14:08 errcheck Hicks: I should mention Democracy Player, they have a good progressive video network aggregation

14:08 Ana Herzog: yep and a video feed

14:08 Ana Herzog: tell us more errcheck

14:09 errcheck Hicks: It's a web based application that acts like a TIVO and can download videos

14:09 Hayduke Ebisu: errcheck... is that quicktime based, or something else?

14:09 Viggo Engebretsen: mm ilike democracy player

14:09 errcheck Hicks: It can be a space eater

14:09 errcheck Hicks: But they may aggfregate video from the march

14:09 Hayduke Ebisu: ah, it's a torrent thing

14:09 Hayduke Ebisu: cool

14:09 Aldon Huffhines: Democracy Player is VERY COOL!

14:09 Hayduke Ebisu: the problem is getting it from that format to here

14:09 Ana Herzog: i'm not a techie

14:09 Ana Herzog: we need quicktime

14:10 Ana Herzog: errcheck can you contact democracy player and find out if they know about conversiion

14:10 Hayduke Ebisu: as far as I understand the streaming media side of things, you need quicktime to get video into SL

14:10 Ana Herzog: I will try to contact UFPJ

14:10 errcheck Hicks: I will do that, we may find there will be many feeds we could use

14:10 Hayduke Ebisu: that's fine

14:10 Ana Herzog: yep

14:11 Hayduke Ebisu: there are a bunch of ways we could handle that

14:11 Ana Herzog: do we have any pr mavens?

14:11 errcheck Hicks: for SL or RL

14:11 Ana Herzog: both

14:11 Ana Herzog: we should have a relaese by Jan 5th

14:12 Ana Herzog: if we want to get coverage

14:12 errcheck Hicks: Here there's prims, groups, and classifieds, and the SL papers

14:12 Aldon Huffhines: BTW, Democracy Player, is a project of DIgital Bicycle and Holmes Wilson, IIRC. Drew, you know Holmes, right?

14:12 Ruby Glitter: don't forget reuters.

14:12 Drew Frobozz: yes

14:12 Ana Herzog: yep... but we want rl stuff too... blog coverage....

14:13 Ana Herzog: reuters....

14:13 Drew Frobozz: I can contact him

14:13 Drew Frobozz: and I know some of the SL bloggers from my NASA stuff

14:13 Aldon Huffhines: As an aside, he might have interesting ideas about SL to Drupal connectivity especially vis-a-vis digital bicycle/democracy player

14:13 Ana Herzog: we can media blast the press release in rl as well as sl

14:13 Ana Herzog: aldon can you cover that?

14:13 Aldon Huffhines: When we did the RootsCamp SL, I wrote up a note which I handed to Adam Reuters here.

14:14 Aldon Huffhines: I can help promote it, including contacting adam if someone gets me the release.

14:14 Ana Herzog: Cool. Draft by next meeting?

14:14 errcheck Hicks: The most popular SL to RL Blog is New World Notes

14:14 Ana Herzog: who wants to write?

14:14 Aldon Huffhines: Also, I'm starting to check out bloghud. (My project for after this meeting)

14:14 Ana Herzog: cool.

14:15 Drew Frobozz: also for SL, we can promote the opporunity to help to the whole SL Netroots list.

14:15 Ana Herzog: any writers? yes! Drew you got it. you just volunteeered didn't you. lol

14:15 Hayduke Ebisu: ana... just know that on ANY sim in SL, the realistic maximum number of people it can hold is 60

14:15 Ana Herzog: yes.

14:15 Drew Frobozz: heh writing the PR?

14:16 Drew Frobozz: I'd be much better passing it along

14:16 Ana Herzog: yep

14:16 Hayduke Ebisu: so drew's idea of having the event spill out onto connecting sims is a good one

14:16 Hayduke Ebisu: my guess is we can use Info Island and EchoDitto as spill over sites, but we have to check

14:16 Aldon Huffhines: If people give me details, I can draft a press release, but I would need lotsofhelpon what the details are.

14:16 Hayduke Ebisu: or if it is elsewhere, then you need to think about that

14:16 errcheck Hicks: Perhaps getting sympathetic landowners to set their videos to the march that day

14:17 Ana Herzog: i don't know enough about rootscamp netroots to write it well

14:17 Hayduke Ebisu: good idea, errcheck

14:17 Ana Herzog: great idea errcheck

14:17 Hayduke Ebisu: maybe have an action pack in a box

14:17 Hayduke Ebisu: that people can unpack and display on their land

14:17 Aldon Huffhines: Does it make sense to contact Better World Island, EchoDitto and Info Island to see if something can be done with all of those islands as well as here and on commonwealth island?

14:17 errcheck Hicks: Yes

14:17 Hayduke Ebisu: distribute the message out as well as have a big gathering

14:17 Ana Herzog: let's brainstorm 7 plus or minus 2 things we want to have happen on that day. so there is something to distribute

14:18 Hayduke Ebisu: I can speak for Commonwealth and Info Island

14:18 Drew Frobozz: I can collaborate on the PR w/ you and Aldon and certainly write about RootsCamp RL and SL stuff

14:18 Drew Frobozz: I'd love to see events like this get more progressives into SL for the first time from promoting the opportunity to get involved in it here... So part of the RL PR might focus on that.

14:18 Hayduke Ebisu: Usu Ventura is EchoDitto

14:18 Ana Herzog: Cool

14:18 Ana Herzog: video

14:18 Ana Herzog: rl promo

14:18 Ana Herzog: thats two

14:18 errcheck Hicks: idea: post demonstrators at newbie sites

14:18 Ana Herzog: sandboxes?

14:19 errcheck Hicks: Arrival

14:19 Ruby Glitter: Ana, i can help fill in parts for the PR if you can do the main drafting.

14:19 errcheck Hicks: I am a viscious editor so I can help...?

14:19 Ana Herzog: Lets feed info to aldon and you can help him

14:19 Ana Herzog: and errcheck

14:19 Ana Herzog: three is enough

14:19 Hayduke Ebisu: there's a new user area that always has a ton of people on it next to my private land on Nari

14:19 Hayduke Ebisu: there are new user sites like that all throughout SL

14:20 Hayduke Ebisu: they are the welcome areas that new users log into when they first sign up

14:20 errcheck Hicks: Walking billboard AVs

14:20 Ana Herzog: pink slips

14:20 Ruby Glitter: there a new space next to an arrival spot called the Greenhouse, for nonprofits.

14:20 Ana Herzog: come to the party banners on scantily clad female avies

14:20 Drew Frobozz: that'd be a great knowledge-share for all Progressive groups here to have-- knowing how to reach out to newbies effectively and where and how.

14:20 Hayduke Ebisu: ruby... is that the one done by Usu Ventura?

14:21 Ana Herzog: okay by next meeting everyone have a notecard with 10 newbie sites

14:21 Ruby Glitter: Yes.

14:21 Hayduke Ebisu: cool... he's on the west side of the new user area I was referring to

14:21 Hayduke Ebisu: it's a great opportunity there

14:21 Drew Frobozz: I smell a session topic for a future RootsCamp meeting...

14:22 Ana Herzog: video pr and newbie

14:22 Ana Herzog: video rl pr and newbie

14:22 Drew Frobozz: everyone ok with chatlogging this meeting, by the way?

14:22 Ana Herzog: that three

14:22 Hayduke Ebisu: ok folks, I apologize, but I have to head home now

14:22 Ana Herzog: please!

14:22 Drew Frobozz: thanks Hayduke

14:22 Ana Herzog: first hayduke

14:22 errcheck Hicks: If we want RL PR - BOINGBOING

14:22 Ana Herzog: what are you doing for next week

14:22 Ruby Glitter: I need to go soon too.

14:22 Hayduke Ebisu: I'm around

14:23 Ana Herzog: cool

14:23 Hayduke Ebisu: will probably be online here a lot more than usual

14:23 Ana Herzog: nifty

14:23 Hayduke Ebisu: Commonwealth development will happen at a much faster pace now, I think

14:23 Ana Herzog: i may not be

14:23 errcheck Hicks: check the charity - progressive site list in the box behiond me

14:23 Hayduke Ebisu: I have more time to spend on it during the holidays

14:23 Hayduke Ebisu: errcheck... please put a dispenser for that out on Commonwealth!

14:23 errcheck Hicks: I will do

14:24 Hayduke Ebisu: ana... am I allowed to leave now? ;-)

14:24 errcheck Hicks: let's vote

14:24 Ana Herzog: but if we feed ideas for the press release to aldon and ruby and errcheck help we can ...

14:24 Ana Herzog: lol

14:24 Ana Herzog: like i said jsut tell me to shut up

14:24 Hayduke Ebisu: not at all!

14:24 Ana Herzog: i like to get things done

14:24 Ruby Glitter: we willl, but not yet!

14:24 Ana Herzog: lol

14:24 Hayduke Ebisu: I don't want to miss anything exciting... and you told me to wait, so I am

14:24 Hayduke Ebisu: lol

14:25 You have offered friendship to Viggo Engebretsen

14:25 Ana Herzog: ideas for the press release to aldon and newbie sites to a notecard

14:25 Viggo Engebretsen: ty

14:25 Viggo Engebretsen: 'm going to need to go tho, my beloved's in the UK and waiting for me

14:25 Ana Herzog: k

14:25 Viggo Engebretsen smiles

14:25 Drew Frobozz: I think we're set then. thanks for coming all.

14:25 errcheck Hicks: love endures

14:25 Ana Herzog: Cool

14:26 Viggo Engebretsen: i dont say much here, i know, but it means a lot to me to have this group

14:26 Ana Herzog: drew you are very tolerant of my outrageousness

14:26 Ana Herzog: thanks for calling this meeting

14:26 Viggo Engebretsen: and it give me things to talk about both at the roman baths at furnation, and at the nude beach in provincetown, that get people and furries thinking

14:26 Ruby Glitter: You're contributed a lot with your presence, Viggo.

14:26 Drew Frobozz: :) Me too Viggo. And Ana, I'm completly grateful for you.

14:26 Ana Herzog: absolutely

14:26 Viggo Engebretsen: thank you

14:26 Ana Herzog: getting people talking is what we are about

14:26 Drew Frobozz: 28th @ Noon SLT. Let's get some newbiees from RL here next week!

14:27 Ana Herzog: yes!

14:27 Drew Frobozz: your families are bored at home with you over the holidays-- bring them into a new life! :)

14:27 Viggo Engebretsen: will do my best

14:27 Viggo Engebretsen: 've got some young fellas, new uni students, i'm working with, i'll see if i can pull thime alont

14:27 Viggo Engebretsen: see you then

14:27 Viggo Engebretsen: be well

14:27 Aldon Huffhines: My five year old daughter usually looks over my shoulder during these SL meetings.

14:27 Aldon Huffhines: She loves it when I have a meeting in SL

14:27 errcheck Hicks: My 13 yEAR OLD WANTS TO GO TO THE MALL

14:28 Ana Herzog: Amos (my friend from earlier ) is actually a 16 yr old girl from the UK

14:28 Ruby Glitter: Cool.

14:28 Ruby Glitter: My husband would come bu I am using the only good computer in the house.

14:28 errcheck Hicks: Drew, Can I put up some mural walls here?

14:29 Aldon Huffhines: We actually have another good computer, so my wife could join us... I might get her to do that some day

14:29 Aldon Huffhines: She's pretty tolerant of my online endevours....

14:29 Viggo Engebretsen: mhh. can't tp.

14:29 Aldon Huffhines: We actually got married in a MOO before we got married in RL

14:29 Ruby Glitter: Wow, hardcore, Aldon!

14:30 Ruby Glitter: we set up our wedding blog before we announced out angegement. ;-)

14:30 Ana Herzog: lol I try to avoid my husband from rl here

14:30 Aldon Huffhines: Mural walls? Are they somethink like walls where people could post graffitti, posters, etc?

14:30 Drew Frobozz: sure errcheck!

14:30 errcheck Hicks: These are specific murals mostly by Judy Baca

14:31 Ana Herzog: they are very nice murals

14:31 errcheck Hicks: She is in the tradition of Diego Rivera and Los Tres Grande

14:32 Aldon Huffhines: Check out http://ahynes1.homeip.net:8000/wedding/weddinglog.txt for the log of my MOO wedding

14:32 Drew Frobozz: Ok folks I have to run. Thanks again. Ruby, will be in touch re: drafting some content...

14:33 errcheck Hicks: I put some murals up later, by Drew

14:33 errcheck Hicks: I gotta go to, love you all

14:33 Aldon Huffhines: Okay... I'm off...

14:33 Drew Frobozz: great. feel free to let anyone know about this space, and Commonwealth too.

14:33 Drew Frobozz: ciao! :)

14:33 Ana Herzog: I'm outta here too

14:33 Ruby Glitter: Not sure whether I'll behere next week.

14:33 Ruby Glitter: Drew can you send an announcement of the meeting?

14:34 Ana Herzog: runit up the flagpole and see who salutes

14:34 Ana Herzog: lol

14:34 Drew Frobozz: ok will do. may be slightly challenging for me too, but I'll at least get it started.

14:34 Ana Herzog: we can have a sub committee meeting

14:34 Drew Frobozz: or Ana, would you for sure be able to be here next week if we focus the topic on the ... yes

14:34 Ana Herzog: for the event

14:34 Ana Herzog: lol

14:34 Ana Herzog: great minds think alike

14:34 Drew Frobozz: :)

14:35 Ana Herzog: sounds good. i'll be here.

14:35 Ruby Glitter: Cool.

14:35 Ana Herzog: can you send me the notecard of today's meeting

14:35 Ruby Glitter: Thanks!

14:35 Ruby Glitter: the text sghould be availabe through the group interface.

14:36 Drew Frobozz: I'll try to remember to get you permissions to send notices Ana in case I'm afk next week?

14:36 Ana Herzog: wiki?

14:36 Ana Herzog: that would work drew, thanks.

14:36 Ana Herzog: ok. i'm outta here.

14:36 Drew Frobozz: ciao! :)