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11:54 Ruby Glitter: hey.

11:54 Ana Herzog: hi

11:55 Ana Herzog: i wanted to get your take on the jan 27 group before the meeting

11:55 Ruby Glitter: I joined it, right?

11:55 Ana Herzog: i thought it would be good to have a channel to plan

11:55 Ruby Glitter: Yeah, goo d idea.

11:55 Ana Herzog: i haven't checked

11:56 Ruby Glitter: I have been super busy, so I haven't been bale to engage with it yet.

11:56 Ana Herzog: i just want to not offend rootscamp

11:56 Ruby Glitter: not at all!

11:56 Ana Herzog: smooth drew

11:56 Ruby Glitter: the more the merries.

11:56 Ana Herzog: lol

11:56 Ruby Glitter: er, merrieR

11:56 Ana Herzog: lol

11:57 Ruby Glitter: Part of the success of RootsCamp was other groups sendin announcements to the members, so I think it's fine for us to do the same and send peopel to cool stuff that you are doing.

11:57 Ruby Glitter: I can do it.

11:57 Ruby Glitter: OOps.

11:58 Ruby Glitter: That was suppoed to be an IM. :-P

11:58 Ana Herzog: i didn't invite everyone who is planning just the names i could remember off the top of my head

11:58 Ruby Glitter: Cool.

11:58 Ruby Glitter: Drew is asking me ot send out a last-minute meeting reminder to the group.

11:58 Ana Herzog: k

11:59 Ruby Glitter: Are you going ot give a J27 update? I'll put it in the announcment.

11:59 Ana Herzog: yep after we discuss it at meeting. just don't want to usurp any established processes

12:00 Ana Herzog: we can certainly mention it. but i don't know if it will be open or just for planners.

12:00 You decline Free Area! W00t!, Progressive Island (184, 61, 25) from A group member named Ruby Glitter.

12:01 Ruby Glitter: You mean the group?

12:01 Ana Herzog: yep

12:01 Ruby Glitter: OK, that's cool.

12:01 Ana Herzog: UFPJ is on board with us!

12:01 Ruby Glitter: We don't have an agenda or anything, but i would liek it to be a bit more organized than last week.

12:01 Ruby Glitter: Great!

12:02 Ana Herzog: me too.

12:02 Ana Herzog: i sort of took over last mtg. lol

12:02 Ruby Glitter: Hey, errcheck.

12:02 Ana Herzog: hi errcheck

12:02 errcheck Hicks: Hey

12:02 errcheck Hicks: had to get RL out of the way

12:03 Ana Herzog: where did drew go?

12:03 errcheck Hicks: Ruby, did I give you my notecard about Jan 27 stuff

12:04 Ruby Glitter: Drew is at the Capitol Hill thing, but I assume he will come over herr shortly.

12:04 Ana Herzog: k

12:04 Ruby Glitter: Sorry to be so quiet. I am trying to finish soe ofther stuff so I can focus on the meeting.

12:05 Ana Herzog: np

12:10 errcheck Hicks: OK, I put up smart chairs if anyone wants to use them, and since the stools seem to point in the wrong direction

12:11 Ruby Glitter: Cool. Can you leave a copy of the chairs here?

12:11 errcheck Hicks: I don't think I can since I rez them from my force powers attachment

12:12 errcheck Hicks: But I will try to get some permanent

12:12 Ruby Glitter: We should prbably just get some.

12:12 Ana Herzog: cool

12:12 Ruby Glitter: But I like the simple stools, too. ;-)

12:12 Ana Herzog: "camp"ish

12:12 errcheck Hicks: The simple stools strain my neck...lol

12:12 Ana Herzog: errcheck you need to work out

12:13 Ana Herzog: lol

12:13 errcheck Hicks: and massage

12:13 Ruby Glitter: yeah, they're not very ergonomic

12:13 Ana Herzog: hmmmmm

12:13 Ruby Glitter: I wonder where everyone s today?

12:13 Ruby Glitter: I did't realize the time!

12:13 Ana Herzog: i like camp-ish

12:13 Ruby Glitter: I liek camp-Y. :-)

12:13 errcheck Hicks: and many other probs

12:13 Ruby Glitter: Hi Effulgent.

12:14 Effulgent Brown: hiya

12:14 Effulgent Brown: :)

12:14 Ruby Glitter: Drew is still trying ot edit our wiki. the passwsord got changed or something.

12:14 errcheck Hicks: Hi Efflugent

12:14 Ana Herzog: Heya

12:14 errcheck Hicks: Does that mean what I think it does?

12:14 Effulgent Brown: Hi

12:14 Ruby Glitter: We're just getting started.

12:15 Ana Herzog gave you J 27 reportback - Ana Herzog.

12:15 Effulgent Brown: yeah, hehehe went for hot chocolate hehe

12:15 errcheck Hicks: ah brilliant

12:15 Ana Herzog: lol. love it.

12:16 errcheck Hicks gave you Jan 27 Ideas.

12:16 Ruby Glitter: Shall we go ahead and start with the J27 update? Ana has been hard at work!

12:16 Ana Herzog: errcheck too

12:16 Ruby Glitter: Cool.

12:17 Ana Herzog: and all of us i'm sure

12:17 Effulgent Brown: nice ideas card

12:17 Ana Herzog: i think the biggest news i have is that UFPJ is on board with us.

12:17 Ana Herzog: they know about us and susan will come to second life this weekend to check it out

12:18 Effulgent Brown: coolio

12:18 Ana Herzog: we are in their loop.

12:18 Ana Herzog: ty EB by the way....

12:18 Effulgent Brown: do we have people who know how to do the scripting for the load url sign

12:19 Ana Herzog: take a shirt

12:19 Effulgent Brown: thankies

12:19 Ana Herzog: i have a script for url loading

12:19 Effulgent Brown: is there a place where we can donate things?

12:19 Effulgent Brown: okie

12:19 errcheck Hicks: you mean a simple load url script?

12:20 Effulgent Brown: yeah, lol im am horrid at scripting lol

12:20 Ana Herzog: the sign behind Ruby is supposed to load URLs, does it work for you

12:20 Ana Herzog: i don't script i just use 'em

12:20 You have offered friendship to Effulgent Brown

12:20 Effulgent Brown: yeah me too, i can barely get a door to work

12:20 Effulgent Brown: thankies

12:21 Ruby Glitter: theer are some great free scripts you can get to do stuff like that.

12:21 Ana Herzog: sorta like filing cabinets.... i don't want to know how it's built i just want to but files in it

12:21 errcheck Hicks: That script I gave you is about as simple as they come

12:21 Ruby Glitter: I got them at the ICT Library on Info Island

12:21 Effulgent Brown: the website loaded nicely

12:21 Ana Herzog: so the sign works for you guys?

12:21 Effulgent Brown: i have a few scripts

12:21 Effulgent Brown: yup

12:21 Ana Herzog: excellent

12:22 Ruby Glitter: yep. works good.

12:22 Ana Herzog: Hey MS

12:22 Ana Herzog: welcome

12:22 errcheck Hicks: yes sign works

12:22 Ana Herzog: i like the idea of a donation area

12:23 Ruby Glitter: Welcome MateusJustino

12:23 Ruby Glitter: Ana is giving us an update on plans for J27.

12:23 Ana Herzog: and it might be nice to have a place where we can check out stuff we've made for the j 27 event.

12:23 Effulgent Brown: Welcome MateusJustino

12:23 Ana Herzog: make sure it works for others.

12:23 Ruby Glitter: Ana, i wonder if you can sort of do a broad overview for those who don't have time to read the materials but wnat to get an idea of what's going on.

12:23 Ruby Glitter: An "elevator pitch" if you will.

12:23 errcheck Hicks: What do you mean by donation, $$ or sharable objects

12:23 Ana Herzog: absolutely.

12:23 Ana Herzog: both

12:24 MateusJustino Schnabel: thank you effulgent

12:24 MateusJustino Schnabel: sorry I'm late guys. I thought the meeting would be delayed because of the activity at the capitol

12:24 Effulgent Brown: got cspan on, senate is boring this morning

12:25 Ana Herzog: been watching the house

12:25 Effulgent Brown: lol house was fun, the kids got in on the pelosi thing

12:25 Effulgent Brown: lol

12:25 Ana Herzog: so Ruby.... bring us up to date?

12:25 Ana Herzog: the kids were wonderful

12:25 Ruby Glitter: Yes, please do.

12:25 Ruby Glitter: Or was that a request for me?

12:25 errcheck Hicks: Whos on first

12:26 Ana Herzog: you or me?no whos on second

12:26 Effulgent Brown: they were fun hehehe

12:26 Ruby Glitter: hee.

12:26 Ruby Glitter: our entire agenda today is pretty mush discussing J27.

12:26 Ana Herzog: rotflmao

12:26 Ruby Glitter: Unless folks have other topics.

12:26 Ruby Glitter: Any?

12:26 Ana Herzog: nope

12:27 MateusJustino Schnabel: yes.

12:27 errcheck Hicks: on that topic. a press release like thing, targeted at recruitment/involvement is needed

12:27 MateusJustino Schnabel: i have something to say.

12:27 Ruby Glitter: Go ahead.

12:27 Ana Herzog: i have a proposal --i'm third in stack

12:27 MateusJustino Schnabel: i just wanted to say that i'm new.

12:27 Ruby Glitter: MateusJustino?

12:27 Effulgent Brown: my inventory is a mess ugh

12:27 Ana Herzog: welcome!!!!!

12:28 MateusJustino Schnabel: is there a way to get the archives of the previous meetings?

12:28 Ana Herzog: what do you want to be in charge of?

12:28 Ana Herzog: lol

12:28 Ana Herzog: Hi Arteer

12:28 Ruby Glitter: This is one of our smaller meetings, ut the general idea is that whoever shows up gets t put their stuff on the agenda. ;-)

12:28 Effulgent Brown: Welcome Arteer

12:28 Ruby Glitter: Welcome Arteer.

12:28 Arteer Oliva: Hi, Ana!

12:28 MateusJustino Schnabel: hello arteer.

12:28 Ana Herzog: first thing on the agenda..... set an agenda???

12:28 Ana Herzog: lol

12:28 Effulgent Brown: lol

12:28 Ruby Glitter: We got a late starts today, but I will have to run at 1pm SLT, so let's kepe it moving.

12:29 Ana Herzog: shalll i just report on what we are doing so far in support of the march on washington?

12:29 errcheck Hicks: Yes

12:29 Effulgent Brown: yeah that sounds good

12:29 Ruby Glitter: yes, but now that we have more folks let's do some lightnig-round intros.

12:29 Arteer Oliva: Please do.

12:29 Ana Herzog: k.

12:30 Ana Herzog: I'm Ana with CODEPINK

12:30 Ruby Glitter: Everyone, all at once, please let us know your name in RL (if you want0 and what bring you here. All on one line, please.

12:30 Ana Herzog: (real life = Nancy)

12:30 Effulgent Brown: im effy, barely a blogger

12:30 Ruby Glitter: Ruby Sinreich with netcentriccampaigns.org and lotusmedia.org

12:30 errcheck Hicks: I am Eric Ahlberg in RL, a software engineer and artist and webmaster and musician and father and everything else too

12:30 Arteer Oliva: Arteer. Grad student. Teacher. Activist. Volunteer.

12:30 MateusJustino Schnabel: I'm Matt in RL. Found out about this group from the dailykos. Will be moving back to Massachusetts soon.

12:31 errcheck Hicks: we got on dailykos... woot!

12:31 Effulgent Brown: daydreampolitics.org

12:31 Ruby Glitter: Great. Thanks all!

12:31 Effulgent Brown: hehehe wee

12:31 Arteer Oliva: Also graphic designer in RL. Teach that and speech.

12:31 MateusJustino Schnabel: Pleasure to meet you all.

12:31 Ana Herzog: :-) and you

12:31 Effulgent Brown: *wiggle*

12:31 Ruby Glitter: OK, Ana. Can you please start with an overview of what is going on in SL on and around January 27th?

12:32 Ana Herzog: basically rootscamp decided to support the march on wasshington with SL actions

12:32 Ruby Glitter: Welcoem Aldon.

12:32 Effulgent Brown: Welcome Aldon Take a seat :)

12:33 Ana Herzog: I've notified ufpj (the march organizer) that we will be doing something and they are excited and will keep us in the look

12:33 Ana Herzog: I've put an ad in the classified calling for volunteers -- see if you can find it

12:33 Aldon Huffhines: Well, I just got through the event at Capitol Hill. It might be a good place to do a demonstration

12:33 Aldon Huffhines: It will be open to the public tomorrow

12:34 Ana Herzog: i started a group for organizers. please join. it is called January 27. if you can't i will open it up further

12:34 Ana Herzog: does anyone have a locations notecard started?

12:34 Ana Herzog: Aldon's suggestion is great.

12:34 Arteer Oliva: No.

12:35 Ana Herzog: no to which? lol

12:35 Arteer Oliva: No notecard started.

12:35 Ana Herzog: i'm a motor mouth

12:35 errcheck Hicks: I copuldn't find the classified

12:35 errcheck Hicks: I have a notecard - outline of possible things we can do

12:36 Ana Herzog: can we start one for locations?

12:36 Effulgent Brown: yeah

12:36 errcheck Hicks: I put a notecard giver in the tall boxy thing to my left

12:36 Effulgent Brown: a good thing would be to have a notecard with landmarks to all the places

12:36 Ana Herzog: we should get a storage box and deed it to the j 27 group so all members have access to cards textures etc

12:37 errcheck Hicks: It has the progressive locations

12:37 Effulgent Brown: yeah thats great

12:37 Effulgent Brown: it would be good for there to be a mailbox or something

12:37 Ana Herzog: how much does a filing cabinet cost

12:38 errcheck Hicks: We could set up a space here for people to put things to share

12:38 Ana Herzog: or should we just use a prim

12:38 Effulgent Brown: hmm im not sure, i have a good gorup lemmie make a box one sec

12:38 Ana Herzog: can someone take responsibility for talking to drew about a storage spot?

12:39 Ana Herzog: basically the only things we've agreed on is that there should be something on this island and as many other places as possible

12:39 errcheck Hicks: I'll do it

12:39 Ana Herzog: thanks errcheck

12:40 Ana Herzog: we want to have live feeds and rebroadcasts of march related quicktime streams

12:40 Ruby Glitter: By "something" do mean somethign going on. or stuff?

12:40 errcheck Hicks: I have been putting things here already, but some get returned

12:40 Ana Herzog: both?

12:41 Ruby Glitter: Cool.

12:41 Arteer Oliva: Do you have to wear the group tag while setting so that you don't get things returned?

12:41 Ruby Glitter: I think we should set up a specific place for this info so it doesn't clutter everythign up.

12:41 Effulgent Brown: this box has notecard taker, and giver scripts

12:41 Ana Herzog: i would like to propose that saturday be art and march coverage.

12:41 Ruby Glitter: I think this parcel has special rights for the netroots group. But not the rest.

12:42 errcheck Hicks: I put up 1024 'Arlington West" type crosses, 2048 prims, kind of expensive

12:42 Ana Herzog: sunday be training

12:42 Arteer Oliva: What does "Art and March Coverage" mean exactly?

12:42 errcheck Hicks: Other stuff has stayed here

12:42 Ruby Glitter: errcheck, this whole island does not belong to us.

12:42 Ana Herzog: monday be lobbying related/political

12:42 Ruby Glitter: Since Drew owns it, we'll need to him to OK major installations.

12:42 errcheck Hicks: oh i did not know that

12:43 Effulgent Brown: it would be good to get a spot on the mainland, land prices are a little stupid during the winter though

12:43 Ruby Glitter: Welcome Pete.

12:43 Ana Herzog: march coverage = video feeds, music

12:43 Effulgent Brown: Welcome pete

12:43 Ana Herzog: art = peace art

12:43 Arteer Oliva: Got it, thx Ana.

12:43 Effulgent Brown: what we need is a library

12:43 MateusJustino Schnabel: welcome pete. take a seat.

12:44 Ana Herzog: i wish drew were here

12:44 Ruby Glitter: Speak of the devil!

12:44 Ana Herzog: i was hoping he would volunteer for feeds

12:44 Effulgent Brown: i build things so i could build something that is low prim

12:44 Effulgent Brown: lmao

12:44 MateusJustino Schnabel: drew said that he is heading over.

12:44 errcheck Hicks: I was thinking the Audio Course people could have some Teach-In objects

12:44 Ruby Glitter: Hey Drew, there are some questions about how this island can be used for J27 events.

12:45 Drew Frobozz: great-- fire away

12:45 Ana Herzog: before we get bogged in detail i think we should agree on some basic divisions of labor

12:45 Ruby Glitter: Good idea, Ana/

12:45 Effulgent Brown: yeah

12:45 Ana Herzog: drew can you take charge of video feeds for the 27th through the 29th

12:45 Ana Herzog: can we have a place to store stuff

12:45 Ana Herzog: collect donations

12:46 Ana Herzog: and test out j27 materials

12:46 Ana Herzog: everyone take a j27 t shirt

12:46 Drew Frobozz: I'm pretty non-technical in SL, but we had several RootsCampers who had some SL video skillz

12:46 Drew Frobozz: and re: a place to store stuff, etc.-- yes-- anything you need on this island you can have

12:46 Ana Herzog: could you enlist their aid

12:46 Drew Frobozz: including as much land as is needed

12:46 Drew Frobozz: for the time being

12:47 Ana Herzog: cool

12:47 Ruby Glitter: Drew, I was suggesting designating a specific space here for J27 stuff, maybe a parcel next to this?

12:47 Ruby Glitter: or parcel(S). :-)

12:47 Ana Herzog: will have to talk to you about permissions

12:47 errcheck Hicks: a Peace Palace

12:47 Drew Frobozz: i can definitely recruit, but someone else should be primary point of contact because I'll be in Mexico getting my one of my best friends married on the 27th

12:47 Ana Herzog: we can do that later.

12:48 Drew Frobozz: will be trying to be here, but my connectivity may be perilous

12:48 Drew Frobozz: parcel next to this-- certainly

12:48 Ana Herzog: k --

12:48 Ana Herzog: how do people feel about a three day event mimicking the structure of the dc events

12:48 Ana Herzog: sorry 'bout spelling

12:48 Arteer Oliva: Love that idea -- mimicing ---

12:49 Effulgent Brown: Welcome magda

12:49 errcheck Hicks: There is the ~40 AV Sim limitations

12:49 Ana Herzog: sat- march related

12:49 Ana Herzog: sunday - progressive training

12:49 errcheck Hicks: That's why spreading activitities out is crucial

12:50 Ruby Glitter: I'm not sure what the other activites are that would be replicate dhere.

12:50 errcheck Hicks: Training for ???

12:50 Ruby Glitter: sorry, you just wrote them

12:50 Ana Herzog: similar to rootscamp

12:50 Effulgent Brown: the congress has become caustic already

12:50 errcheck Hicks: the congress thing in SL?

12:50 Ana Herzog: monday --- focus on politics

12:50 Effulgent Brown: no, cspan

12:50 Ruby Glitter: Effie, let's don't get into politics right now, OK? We'll be here all day!

12:50 Magda Voss: Hi, nice see you you all.

12:50 Effulgent Brown: lol

12:51 Ana Herzog: does that sound alright?

12:51 Ruby Glitter: Welcome, Magda.

12:51 Drew Frobozz: Hi Magda

12:51 MateusJustino Schnabel: welcome magda

12:51 Effulgent Brown: yeah

12:51 Magda Voss: what can you tell me about the march on Washington today ?

12:51 Ana Herzog: who is the big democrat here?

12:51 errcheck Hicks: you mean Democrat?

12:52 Ana Herzog: we are discussing the sl actions for j 27-29

12:52 Ana Herzog: yes errcheck

12:52 Ana Herzog: the board behind ruby has a link to the main march site

12:52 Ruby Glitter: Magda, feel free to take a stool or seat (or stand).

12:52 errcheck Hicks: hmmm are we all more left than that?

12:52 Pete Sunnyside: Sorry, I must go back to the real world. Will try to get back soon.

12:52 Magda Voss: I can share this.. http://worldcantwait.org/

12:52 Ruby Glitter: OK, take care, Pete.

12:52 Effulgent Brown: will there be anything going on at a welcome area? like ahern

12:53 Ana Herzog: for lobbying day _ monday i think the democratic folks could be in charge

12:53 Effulgent Brown: that would be a good place to start

12:53 MateusJustino Schnabel: later peter

12:53 Ruby Glitter: Oh, I see.

12:53 Pete Sunnyside: also sorry that the virtual house event did not seen to work.

12:53 Effulgent Brown: as far as finding people to volunteer

12:53 Morris Vig: Hi all

12:53 Morris Vig: Sorry I'm late

12:53 Ana Herzog: Effie do you want to be in charge of volunteer recruitment?

12:54 Effulgent Brown: welcome morris

12:54 Ana Herzog: i've put an ad in the classifieds

12:54 Ana Herzog: hi mo

12:54 MateusJustino Schnabel: hi morris

12:54 Ana Herzog: an ad for volunteers

12:54 Morris Vig: Hi All

12:54 Ruby Glitter: Good to see you Morris. We're discussing J27 plans.

12:54 Effulgent Brown: im not good at recuriting so much but i will do my best

12:54 Ruby Glitter: You have gotten much taller! ;-)

12:54 Ana Herzog: we can all help each other

12:55 Morris Vig: Happens to the best of us

12:55 Effulgent Brown: i have found that is easier for people to do things in babysteps at their own pace

12:55 Ana Herzog: lets set up a time to meet outside of this effie

12:55 Effulgent Brown: okie

12:55 Ana Herzog: cool

12:55 Drew Frobozz: Ana, what kind of people are you looking for?

12:55 Ana Herzog: All kinds.

12:55 Ana Herzog: can other people see my classifies in my profile?

12:55 Ana Herzog: if so you could look at the ad

12:56 Drew Frobozz: for mainstream Democrat activist types I can reach out to a lot, if that was one of the categories.

12:56 Ana Herzog: let me recap

12:56 Arteer Oliva: See the classified, yes.

12:57 Magda Voss: Is the march in world ? on Jan 27 ?

12:57 Effulgent Brown: we need a place for meeting minutes, something like that

12:57 Ana Herzog: I thought it would be good to have some basic Democratic discussion -- discussion about congress and capitol hill on monday

12:57 Ana Herzog: we need a wiki?

12:58 Ana Herzog: blog?

12:58 Ana Herzog: and is it okay to record this today for communication

12:58 errcheck Hicks: OK

12:58 Drew Frobozz: good idea Ana (Congress). And blog.

12:58 Drew Frobozz: yes to chatlogging

12:58 Arteer Oliva: record - ok

12:58 Effulgent Brown: brb, someone needs some help with a build of mine

12:59 Ana Herzog: ruby can you do that and then send to me pretty please

12:59 Ruby Glitter: Do what?

12:59 Ana Herzog: recap.... effie volunteers

12:59 Ruby Glitter: Savethe shat?

12:59 Ruby Glitter: CHAT/

12:59 Ana Herzog: record

12:59 Ruby Glitter: Sorry

12:59 Ruby Glitter: Well, I'm glad you mentioned that.

12:59 Magda Voss: I'll have Jan 27 on my cal, do we meet here ?

12:59 Ruby Glitter: I am about ot leave for a meetign in RL.

12:59 Ruby Glitter: I save dthe minutes so far.

13:00 Ana Herzog: k i will keep going a bit longer.

13:00 Ruby Glitter: And I can leave my Av here to get the rest.

13:00 errcheck Hicks: btw i found a "10 easy rules for Events Management in SL"

13:00 Ana Herzog: thank you ruby

13:00 Morris Vig: Cool!

13:00 Ana Herzog: ok effie is volunteer

13:00 Ana Herzog: drew is recruiting techies and Democrats

13:00 Magda Voss: see you Jan 27, thanks all..

13:01 Drew Frobozz: and I have to go to run my NASA CoLab meeting now. But we'll update the RootsCampSL wiki with info on J27 as well

13:01 Ana Herzog: Errcheck do you want to see about storage

13:01 Effulgent Brown: ill be right back

13:01 Ana Herzog: i will invite everyone here to the j 27 group

13:01 Drew Frobozz: please record the transcript from this meeting when done! :)

13:01 Ruby Glitter: Gotta go y'all, I'll leave my bod here. ;-)

13:01 Drew Frobozz: and send to me to post to the wiki

13:01 Ana Herzog: thanks ruby

13:01 errcheck Hicks: Storage.. like for our SL objects for Jan27?

13:01 Ana Herzog: yeppers

13:02 Ana Herzog: yep errcheck and for organization

13:02 MateusJustino Schnabel: bye ruby

13:02 Drew Frobozz: ciao!

13:02 Drew Frobozz: yep-- just IM me with specifically what you need in terms of permissions

13:02 Ana Herzog: will do drew. bye

13:02 errcheck Hicks: OK I'll do that, but are there sharable file cabs?

13:03 Ana Herzog: NOW.... do we have volunteers to find activity leaders for sunday training?

13:03 errcheck Hicks: Otherwise boxes

13:03 Ana Herzog: yes there are sharables

13:03 Ana Herzog: hayduke set he would either talk or lead a center

13:03 Ana Herzog: on sunday

13:03 errcheck Hicks: Also that Yoga Center

13:03 Ana Herzog: said not set

13:04 Ana Herzog: yoga on susnday. will you contact the yoga master

13:04 Ana Herzog: who can teach some building for activists sessions?

13:05 Ana Herzog: anyone?

13:05 errcheck Hicks: I will setup the Yoga Center

13:05 Morris Vig: I'm barely able to build what little I do.

13:05 errcheck Hicks: for lecture

13:05 MateusJustino Schnabel: i disagree morris.

13:05 Ana Herzog: how to build a peace sign... anyone want to recruit instructors?

13:06 MateusJustino Schnabel: your island is great.

13:06 Ana Herzog: Morris could you set up speakers for sunday.

13:06 Ana Herzog: i will help you figure out what to do

13:06 Morris Vig: Pls.

13:06 Morris Vig: I'm buried until 1/10's grand opening is over.

13:07 Ana Herzog: can you start the 11th?

13:07 Morris Vig: lol

13:07 Morris Vig: yer good

13:07 Morris Vig: probably

13:07 Ana Herzog: pretty pretty pretty please

13:07 Ana Herzog: it won't be difficult

13:07 Ana Herzog: you know scriptors and bulders

13:07 Morris Vig: I know a few folks

13:08 Ana Herzog: ok.... morris.... just say "k"

13:08 Morris Vig: k

13:08 Ana Herzog: thank you!!!!!

13:08 Ana Herzog: lol

13:08 errcheck Hicks: I could probably teach some object fundamentals

13:08 Ana Herzog: for saturday..... what else shall we do.....

13:08 errcheck Hicks: And basic scripting

13:08 Ana Herzog: Fantastic!

13:09 Ana Herzog: peace poofers banners and such would be great to construct

13:09 errcheck Hicks: - Peace March and Cheer - dance ball syncs you up to peace choreography and Radical Cheerleading!

13:10 Ana Herzog: so.... now what about a press release.

13:10 Ana Herzog: WONDERFUL idea!

13:10 MateusJustino Schnabel: i have a question. sorry. i just want to understand. the activity that we are talking about now is the SL parallel activity or to announce the real life event?

13:10 errcheck Hicks: 2 press releases, one to get involvement in creating events/objects here, another for attending day of events

13:11 MateusJustino Schnabel: or in the end, it's really the same overall goal (the march)?

13:11 Ana Herzog: could we have a dance cheer ready by the 27th so we could send a cadre of ten around to various spaces to recruit attendees

13:11 Ana Herzog: i conceptualize SL J27 actions as sort of like a "local" venue action

13:12 errcheck Hicks: These activities would be for people who can't be at the March in RL, but want to demonstrate

13:12 Ana Herzog: two press releases. got it.

13:12 MateusJustino Schnabel: thank you errcheck.

13:13 Ana Herzog: and this will also hopefull reach a few people who would not be reached in rl because of the social circles they circulate in or the lack of demonstration awareness in their geo areas

13:13 errcheck Hicks: I want to suggest to Art Gallery owners that they could schedule special Peace Shows

13:13 Ana Herzog: yes! Peace shows. and we can send folks here to a general boad that lists all the actions where they can get lands marks

13:14 Morris Vig: That I can do

13:14 errcheck Hicks: And the Teach-In aspect elevates it from symbolism

13:14 Morris Vig: At least for my space

13:14 Ana Herzog: cool. I will check with Cheen for the Barcelona Gallery

13:14 Ana Herzog: and talk to ASL art folks about others

13:15 errcheck Hicks: SL Peace Festival, multiple Venues

13:15 Ana Herzog: yeppers

13:15 Ana Herzog: ok.... anyone else want to folunteer for other tasks?

13:16 Ana Herzog: contact sl magazines and papers, the lindens, etc.

13:16 Ana Herzog: that can be done at your own pace

13:16 Aldon Huffhines: I can help with the press...

13:16 Ana Herzog: Aldon, you are a Gem!!!!!!

13:16 errcheck Hicks: I will contact Metaverse Messenger,

13:16 Aldon Huffhines: I've met Adam Reuters before... And just had a good interview with the woman from M2

13:17 Ana Herzog: excellent excellent excellent.

13:17 errcheck Hicks: Katt Kongo?

13:17 Aldon Huffhines: The one caveat is that I will be on the road going to the National Conference on Media Reform in Memphis...

13:17 Aldon Huffhines: Yeah, Katt and I had a great discussion over on Capitol Hill.

13:17 Ana Herzog: some of you didn't hear me say that i have ufpj on board.

13:17 Aldon Huffhines: So, my connectivity will be limited between the 8th and the 16th

13:17 Aldon Huffhines: I did. That is great.

13:17 errcheck Hicks: Getting specific in world endorsement is good

13:18 Aldon Huffhines: Please send any press information to ahynes1@optonline.net

13:18 Ana Herzog: but you can mention sl j27 in memphis..... so all is good

13:18 Franko Zemlja: hi

13:18 Ana Herzog: they are behind us

13:18 Aldon Huffhines: Yeah, I will spread the word in Memphis. I think a lot of people there may be excited about it

13:18 Ana Herzog: cool

13:19 Ana Herzog: i was on the ufpj conference call last night and we will soon have graphics we can alter slightly for our events

13:19 Ana Herzog: but in the mean time.... we can use the one you see here

13:21 Ana Herzog: so are we basically good until the next meeting?

13:22 Ana Herzog: I will send out invites to all the planners

13:22 Ana Herzog: invites for the j 27 group

13:22 errcheck Hicks: ah well so much to do...I'm good

13:22 Morris Vig: I'm OK here

13:22 Ana Herzog: I know. I'm going crazy here already.

13:22 Ana Herzog: any questions?

13:22 errcheck Hicks: Please read my Jan 27 notecard!! Pretty Please

13:23 Ana Herzog: cool. errcheck we can drop it within the j27 group so everyone has a copy

13:24 Ana Herzog: matt you are back

13:24 Ana Herzog: bye matt!

13:24 Ana Herzog: lol

13:24 Ana Herzog: any other questions

13:24 Morris Vig: Ana - Come inside the circle of trust

13:24 Morris Vig: lol

13:25 errcheck Hicks: I'm adding a notice to Jan 27 right now

13:25 Ana Herzog: bueno!

13:25 errcheck Hicks: What are the three day general scenario ...is

13:26 Ana Herzog: sat= march art party music and zipping off to other parts of sl on steal th missions

13:27 Ana Herzog: sunday teachin to mirror training in D.c.

13:27 Ana Herzog: Monday--- political planning and setting up conduits for "lobbying"

13:27 Ana Herzog: does that sound cool

13:28 MateusJustino Schnabel: sounds good.

13:28 Effulgent Brown: sounds intresting, we need some sort of board or something, i saw one but it was primmy

13:29 Ana Herzog: i'm thinking we may need a blog/site

13:29 Ana Herzog: with url to it clearly displayed here

13:29 MateusJustino Schnabel: what kind of board? a bulletin board with the schedule?

13:29 Morris Vig: Does the Google Group not suffice?

13:29 MateusJustino Schnabel: ana, what about using the netroots wiki?

13:29 Effulgent Brown: sort of a bulliten board, its not something done easily here

13:29 Ana Herzog: separate from netroots might be good

13:30 MateusJustino Schnabel: there's a google group for jan 27?

13:30 Effulgent Brown: yeah, something to help streamline everything

13:30 Morris Vig: for SL netroots

13:30 Ana Herzog: yes, what is this google group

13:30 Morris Vig: let me look up the url

13:30 Ana Herzog: Nets roots is a real group

13:30 errcheck Hicks: I could set-up a wiki, but I am afraid of the proliferation of information sites....

13:31 Morris Vig: http://groups.google.com/group/rootscampsl?lnk=oa

13:31 Ana Herzog: netroots and ufpj are not alligned

13:31 Effulgent Brown: yeah, there needs to be something simple so people can find things quickly

13:31 Ana Herzog: aligned

13:31 Morris Vig: I guess it's a RootsCamp group

13:32 Morris Vig: Personally, I'd use it

13:32 Ana Herzog: this camp up in rootscamp but as far as i know only sl netroots is doing j27

13:32 Ana Herzog: which?

13:32 Ana Herzog: netroots wiki?

13:32 Ana Herzog: netroots group?

13:33 errcheck Hicks: The Google Group looks good, I'm in it now

13:33 Ana Herzog: is there a place for progressive sl politics action that is not aligned with any group

13:34 errcheck Hicks: J27SL wiki...but I think the group may be good

13:34 errcheck Hicks: There are quite a few "progressive Groups" perhaps some consol;idation is needed

13:34 MateusJustino Schnabel: i was invited to a group called left unity sl, but they don't like me.

13:34 Effulgent Brown: im not sure about sl politics but neufreistadt has a nice place

13:34 Morris Vig: Amen errcheck

13:35 errcheck Hicks: Why didn't they like you?

13:35 Ana Herzog: i'm not talking about a new group

13:35 MateusJustino Schnabel: they consider themselves revolutionaries and if you are only a Democrat, then you are a reformer part of the problem or something.

13:35 errcheck Hicks: Been there done that

13:36 Ana Herzog: that is why i want to stay outside any particular persuasion

13:36 Effulgent Brown: yeah

13:36 errcheck Hicks: Mass Organization, Popular front

13:36 Ana Herzog: the wiki (netroots) is great, but I don't like the coding necessary

13:37 Ana Herzog: so lets table a new site until next meeting next thursday.

13:37 Morris Vig: And, for those who have not signed up, take a look at the Google group

13:37 Ana Herzog: but we can certainly post to everything we can think of!!!!!!

13:37 Morris Vig: In beta view mode, I think we have more than enough capacity.

13:38 Ana Herzog: I just don't want to join anymore groups or learn any more coding

13:38 Ana Herzog: that is why i like a site i can go to

13:38 Morris Vig: Understood

13:38 Effulgent Brown: that is a really good idea, going beta

13:38 Morris Vig: Bookmark the group page, and it's a site to go to!

13:38 Morris Vig: lol

13:38 MateusJustino Schnabel: i think the google groups for netroots sl is a good thing. the event is only a few weeks away.

13:39 Effulgent Brown: the regular grid is usually packed and buggy, they even sell land in beta for cheap

13:39 errcheck Hicks: The Google group doesn't require coding, simple posts

13:39 Morris Vig: yup

13:39 MateusJustino Schnabel: having a whole new site would be a pain.

13:39 Morris Vig: yup

13:39 Ana Herzog: but the wiki does

13:39 Effulgent Brown: yeah just for one event

13:39 errcheck Hicks: Which wiki are you talking about...url?

13:40 Ana Herzog: netroots.org i think.

13:40 Ana Herzog: i have a small screen and can't easily pop between sl and urls

13:40 Ana Herzog: we don't all have to do the same thing! LOL.

13:40 errcheck Hicks: not netroots.org - godaddy parked

13:41 MateusJustino Schnabel: one thing that would help would to have an announcement here about the google group because today is the first time i am hearing about it.

13:41 Morris Vig: agreed, but we all need to communicate effectively with each other

13:41 Morris Vig: good call

13:41 Ana Herzog: ruby or drew should do that

13:41 Morris Vig: I will advise Ruby

13:41 Ana Herzog: and i am inviting you all to the sl group j 27 so we can plan and chat on it

13:42 errcheck Hicks: http://rootscamp.org/ - thats the one

13:42 Morris Vig: Thx Ana

13:42 MateusJustino Schnabel: i'll look into creation of a bulletin board.

13:42 Aldon Huffhines: There had been a link on rootscamp.org's SL pages about the google group, I thought, but I can't find it now

13:42 Ana Herzog: cool

13:42 MateusJustino Schnabel: has that job already been assigned?

13:43 Morris Vig: I IM'd Ruby

13:43 Ana Herzog: nope matt. It isd YOURS

13:43 errcheck Hicks: 10 easy rules for event management suggests following a 1hr meeting in SL chat is not so funny, suggest replicating on virtual screen

13:43 MateusJustino Schnabel: ok good

13:43 MateusJustino Schnabel: replicating on virual screen?

13:43 Ana Herzog: true. i'm not in charge of these meetings although you wouldn't be able to tell.

13:44 Ana Herzog: i am a mover behind the j27 stuff

13:44 errcheck Hicks: http://exploded.awcr.org/SLeventsDownload

13:44 Morris Vig: you are mover period

13:44 Morris Vig: and that

13:44 Morris Vig: 'is a good thing

13:44 Ana Herzog: woot!

13:44 Morris Vig: (c) Martha Stewart Omnimedia

13:44 errcheck Hicks: heh heh

13:44 MateusJustino Schnabel: heh morris

13:45 Effulgent Brown: hehehe big martha

13:45 Morris Vig: Folks, I hate to make this a hit-n-run attendance job, but I need to bail.

13:45 Ana Herzog: don't mess with her, she's done time. BIG marth

13:45 MateusJustino Schnabel: later vig

13:45 Ana Herzog: thanks mo. will check with you soon

13:46 Morris Vig: If there are any new notes, please circulate via the SL group that Ana just invited us to join.

13:46 Effulgent Brown: yeah, prison cookies yay

13:46 Morris Vig: Thanks all. Good 2 see you.

13:46 Morris Vig: And come to our Grand Opening next Weds.!

13:46 errcheck Hicks: Free fish for Everyone!?

13:46 Effulgent Brown: ooh hehehe

13:47 MateusJustino Schnabel: sure mo. if you send a reminder, i'll be there.

13:47 Morris Vig: err - you don't know the 1/2 of it

13:47 Morris Vig: c ya all!

13:47 Effulgent Brown gave you Progressive Island Notes.

13:47 Ana Herzog: ok who else do i need to send invites too?

13:47 Ana Herzog: cu

13:47 Effulgent Brown: just a little notecard

13:48 Ana Herzog: thank you!

13:48 MateusJustino Schnabel: yes thanks.

13:48 Aldon Huffhines: Oops. I meant to keep the Landmark, not TP

13:48 Ana Herzog: lol

13:49 Effulgent Brown: we can keep lots of landmarks in notecards, i know some people have trouble loading things sometimes though

13:49 Effulgent Brown: they are good for storage

13:49 Ana Herzog: yeppers

13:49 MateusJustino Schnabel: has anyone been to better world?

13:49 Ana Herzog: ok.... i'm adding people to the group

13:49 errcheck Hicks: Yes

13:49 Effulgent Brown: not yet

13:50 Ana Herzog: who should i add --- that isn't here at this very moment

13:50 MateusJustino Schnabel: or humanism island?

13:50 Aldon Huffhines: I've hung out a bit on Better World.

13:50 Ana Herzog: better world is cool. major cool.

13:50 MateusJustino Schnabel: after we have some posters, we can drop some at those two places.

13:50 Effulgent Brown: hmm i think i went to humanism island

13:50 errcheck Hicks: There are a lot of peole in Imagine Peace

13:50 MateusJustino Schnabel: never heard of imagine peace

13:51 errcheck Hicks: It's another Peace Group that did an event a few months ago

13:51 errcheck Hicks: In SL

13:52 Effulgent Brown: hmm i see an Imagine Peace group, intresting

13:52 errcheck Hicks: Anybody Know Rainbow Drake?

13:52 MateusJustino Schnabel: ok kids. i'll go check out imagine peace in order to set a landmark there, and then i have to return to RL.

13:52 MateusJustino Schnabel: good meeting!

13:52 Ana Herzog: yep. i need to im rainbow

13:53 Effulgent Brown: yeah :)

13:53 errcheck Hicks: Get Rainbow to notice the Imagine Peace Group

13:53 Ana Herzog: thanks for coming everyone!

13:53 MateusJustino Schnabel: i couldn't find any place called imagine peace.

13:53 Ana Herzog: it is on my list of things to do!

13:53 Ana Herzog: it is a group

13:54 errcheck Hicks: Also Leftist Beatnick Revolutionaries Group

13:54 Effulgent Brown: yeah, it looks to have good people in it too

13:54 Ana Herzog: got it

13:54 errcheck Hicks: Abbey Underall is creator, anybody know them?

13:54 Effulgent Brown: no

13:54 Ana Herzog: no

13:55 errcheck Hicks: Not On Our Watch - another Group

13:55 Ana Herzog: got it

13:55 errcheck Hicks: Jamie Neutra founder

13:56 MateusJustino Schnabel: left unity sl

13:56 errcheck Hicks: Forward Together has a lot of members, and is more Democratic Party oriented

13:57 MateusJustino Schnabel: rather "SL LEFT UNITY"

13:57 errcheck Hicks: I will message Gallery Owners about Peace exhibits

13:57 Ana Herzog: got em so far.... keep em coming

13:58 errcheck Hicks: hmmm Cannibis Club?

13:58 MateusJustino Schnabel: too much info. gots to go. peace.

13:58 Effulgent Brown: lol

13:58 Aldon Huffhines: Hmm. I only use Cannibis in SL.

13:58 Ana Herzog: thanks matt, CU

13:59 Ana Herzog: there are libertarians who smok

13:59 Ana Herzog: smoke

13:59 Ana Herzog: nc on the mj

14:00 errcheck Hicks: True American Patriots are another group ... 9/11 conspiracy oriented

14:00 Ana Herzog: we certainly want to make sure they get the press release

14:00 Effulgent Brown: yeah

14:01 Ana Herzog: I think i will talk to rainbow about who she notified at which step in the process

14:01 errcheck Hicks: Witness Go is a SL rapper who might be interested in pushing this at his performances...maybe

14:02 errcheck Hicks: Witness has a large fan-group

14:02 errcheck Hicks: I'll message him

14:02 Ana Herzog: cool

14:03 Ana Herzog: we should talk to all performers about doing something in support of the event

14:03 Aldon Huffhines: It would be great to get some of the live musicians here, like Frogg Marlow to participate.

14:03 errcheck Hicks: Hmmm... Performance Artists Group?

14:04 Ana Herzog: i will contact

14:04 Effulgent Brown: that sounds good

14:04 Aldon Huffhines: I'd go for the Live Music Enthusiasts group

14:04 Ana Herzog: should we have tables on saturday for groups

14:04 Ana Herzog: do you have contacts there?

14:05 Aldon Huffhines: Not particularly...

14:05 Ana Herzog: i can contact

14:05 errcheck Hicks: What's with the Leftists, Liberals and Lunatics group - 187 Members

14:06 Ana Herzog: infiltrate and see?

14:06 Effulgent Brown: hmm i think i was in that once

14:06 errcheck Hicks: We need spies

14:06 Aldon Huffhines: BTW, Ana,can I become a peace lover instead of a peace goddess in CODEPINK SL?

14:06 Ana Herzog: can anyone here make jewelry?

14:06 Effulgent Brown hand shoots up ((ooh ooh ooh)) lol

14:06 Ana Herzog: sure. sorry.

14:07 Ana Herzog: subterfuge

14:07 Effulgent Brown: about the spy, not the jewelry

14:07 Effulgent Brown: lol

14:07 Effulgent Brown: i suck at jewelry making

14:07 Ana Herzog: i do too

14:07 Ana Herzog: and we need buttons

14:07 Effulgent Brown: yeah, that might not be too bad though, just a little button

14:08 Aldon Huffhines: I've tried my hand at buttons twice now. I really suck at them, but if you give me some images, I might be able to make something.

14:08 errcheck Hicks: I plan on making some portable demonstrators - picture of demonstrators with the background alpha-ed out

14:08 Ana Herzog: cool. i will make textures for buttons and drop them to you both

14:08 Aldon Huffhines: I haven't made any jewlery, but it would be great to have some peace sign buttons, necklaces, etc.

14:08 Effulgent Brown: yeah i might be able to make a little button

14:09 Ana Herzog: and i have a couple friends who can make some stuff too

14:09 Ana Herzog: i love the idea of "protest in a texture"

14:09 Ana Herzog: lol

14:09 Effulgent Brown: hehehe yeah sounds good

14:10 Ana Herzog: okay I'm going to need some quiet time to parce and digest all this.....

14:10 errcheck Hicks: The Live Musicians group should be contacted too

14:10 Ana Herzog: i must be getting old.

14:10 Effulgent Brown: yeah

14:10 Effulgent Brown: do you have the texture that is on the t-shirt ana?

14:11 errcheck Hicks: Poetry Guild Group?

14:11 Aldon Huffhines: and I need to go process the videos I shot of congress here today.

14:11 Ana Herzog: yes.

14:11 Ana Herzog: i will give you the texture here in a sec

14:11 errcheck Hicks: How was that congress thing, Pelozi there?

14:11 Effulgent Brown: any time you are ready

14:12 Effulgent Brown: she was good, the rebpulicans yelled a little while ago though

14:12 errcheck Hicks: Peace Not War Group

14:13 Aldon Huffhines: It was really interesting... They streamed in CSPAN while congress was in sessoin, and then Rep. Miller came and spoke to us in SL for a little bit.

14:13 Effulgent Brown: cool

14:13 Effulgent Brown: cspan radio can be streamed into sl cant it?

14:13 Effulgent Brown: that would be intresting?

14:14 errcheck Hicks: Republicans yelled in Congress or in SL?

14:14 Effulgent Brown: ive never heard it on radio though

14:14 Effulgent Brown: in congress

14:14 Aldon Huffhines: Sure you should be able to stream anysort of audio in. I just don't know the details of how to do it.

14:14 Effulgent Brown: im not sure they have found us here yet

14:14 Effulgent Brown: i have figured out how to do 1 or two videos

14:15 Effulgent Brown: there is a show called "the active opposition" on free speech tv, i streamed it here a few times

14:16 Ana Herzog: my textures aren't coming up. I will drop on you later today

14:16 errcheck Hicks: We will need a list of video feeds to get landowners to use to set up their TV's during the Jan27-29 period

14:16 Effulgent Brown: making a venue that would offer these things that would be low lag is a challenge but i think it can be done

14:16 Effulgent Brown: yeah

14:16 errcheck Hicks: Like Live from the march

14:16 Ruby Glitter: Whew I am back! I had a meeting with my boss.

14:16 Ruby Glitter: Looks liek y'all have been meeting up a storm!

14:17 errcheck Hicks: That's why we need to think about spreading out the locations/venues

14:17 Ruby Glitter: BTW, the rootscamp web link should be roorscampSL.org (note the SL)

14:17 Ruby Glitter: er, rootscampSL.org

14:17 Effulgent Brown: yeah, one sim would be good but lag could be an issue at some point

14:17 Ana Herzog: i would suggest that we all start a card with locations, ideas, urls and the like on it so we can share them easily

14:17 Effulgent Brown: yeah that would be good

14:18 errcheck Hicks: Oh, I'm going to import a set of Robbie Conal Posters...eventually

14:18 Ana Herzog: and we will have a place to drop em by next week

14:18 Aldon Huffhines: Okay... I'm out of here...

14:18 Effulgent Brown: if we had a piece of land, 512 even what kinds of things would people like to see there

14:18 Ana Herzog: thanks aldon

14:19 Ana Herzog: what the owner wants.

14:19 Effulgent Brown: i was thinking, library, stage, cafe, lounge, place for a tv or something

14:19 Ana Herzog: that would promote buyin

14:19 Effulgent Brown: yeah

14:19 Ana Herzog: a library would be good

14:19 Ana Herzog: how would you do a library though?

14:20 Effulgent Brown: you have books that you touch and they give a notecard or go to a website

14:20 Effulgent Brown: or possibly both

14:20 errcheck Hicks: Action!

14:20 Ana Herzog: cool

14:20 errcheck Hicks: oops

14:21 Effulgent Brown: so many people are online late at night sorta floating around and it would be nice to have a place

14:21 Ruby Glitter: Hey, I got some requests to remind our Sl group about our Google group, should I still do that>?

14:21 Effulgent Brown: yeah

14:21 Ana Herzog: morris wanteer us to do that

14:21 Ana Herzog: we can use my house

14:22 Effulgent Brown: reminders are the only thing that keeps me on track hehe

14:22 Effulgent Brown: i gotta get some land i can use

14:22 Ana Herzog: absolutely

14:22 Ana Herzog gave you Casita de Gaia's Peace Park, Scandium (234, 116, 64).

14:23 Ana Herzog: i have a big house and land

14:23 Ana Herzog: although i am selling some of it

14:23 Effulgent Brown: tier is always an issue but perhapse we can have something that generates money so the venue supports itself

14:23 Ana Herzog: it is great for hanging out

14:23 Effulgent Brown: ooh cool

14:23 errcheck Hicks: What's with Skyboxes anyway, I made one expecting it to get removed, but it's still there

14:23 Ana Herzog: want to go there now to check it out?

14:24 Effulgent Brown: it would only be removed if the land owner does it

14:24 Effulgent Brown: or they just might not know its up there

14:24 Ana Herzog: ruby have you captured all the conversation

14:24 errcheck Hicks: I guess they haven't noticed it

14:24 Ruby Glitter: Yes, thanks.