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1/18/07 chatlog

11:59 errcheck Hicks: Hi Ruby

12:00 Ruby Glitter: Hey!

12:00 Ruby Glitter: How has your week been?

12:00 errcheck Hicks: You gonna group announce

12:00 Ruby Glitter: I just did I thought.

12:00 Ruby Glitter: Dammit. that interface sucks!

12:00 Ruby Glitter: Hold on...

12:01 errcheck Hicks: I didna get nuttin

12:01 Ruby Glitter: it was my bad. sending now.

12:01 errcheck Hicks: This week has been the most fun and relevant for me here

12:02 You decline RootsCamp on Progressive Island, Progressive Island (179, 57, 2 from A group member named Ruby Glitter.

12:02 errcheck Hicks: got it

12:02 Ruby Glitter: The fucking Send Notice function has a bigger OK suttno than SEND button. not only does OK not send it, you lose the entire message you drafted. :-(

12:03 errcheck Hicks: rfe

12:03 Ruby Glitter: i have wasted so much time in that window...

12:03 Ruby Glitter: So I thought you were going to straughten up your stuff here... instead there's even more!

12:03 errcheck Hicks: have you met solidad sugarbeet

12:04 Ruby Glitter: No, who is s/he?

12:04 errcheck Hicks: Well yeah, I have been making a 'Radical's Emporium" here but if it is a problem I can find a place to relocate

12:05 Ruby Glitter: I don't mind that space in the air. it's cool for now.

12:05 errcheck Hicks: She is one of the organizers of the Anti National Front of France demonstrations that have been taking place all week

12:05 Ruby Glitter: and all the anti-war stuff is fine for this month.

12:05 Ruby Glitter: we really need ot have a bigger conversation about what everyone wants this space to be.

12:05 errcheck Hicks: Yes, I've almiost run out the prims

12:06 Ruby Glitter: But your stuff still doesn't have group permissions. Like, what if i want to move the sofa?

12:06 errcheck Hicks: yeah I foget that..., fix now

12:07 Ruby Glitter: Cool. thanx.

12:07 Ruby Glitter: Hey, Morris.

12:07 Morris Vig: Hi all

12:07 errcheck Hicks: Did you look in the building overhead

12:07 Ruby Glitter: We are the tardiest group!

12:07 errcheck Hicks: Hi Morris

12:07 Morris Vig: omg

12:08 Ruby Glitter: Yes, I did. It's way cool.

12:08 Morris Vig: Thx for the reminder.

12:08 Ruby Glitter: I didn't mean you, Morris.

12:08 errcheck Hicks: Good, I just want it to serve our needs

12:08 Morris Vig: Nice skates, err.

12:08 Ruby Glitter: Just that no-one comes until i send the reminder. Even Drew!

12:08 errcheck Hicks: You can set these skoopf skates to any color

12:09 Morris Vig: You'll have to check out the new build at Oyster Bay. Ramps galore!

12:09 Morris Vig: Looking good Ruby.

12:09 Morris Vig: You changed your avi?

12:09 Morris Vig: glasses maybe?

12:09 errcheck Hicks: You rebuilt since the opening?

12:09 Morris Vig: Yessir

12:09 Ruby Glitter: Thanks.

12:09 Morris Vig: OB has gone Greco-Roman.

12:10 Ruby Glitter: Just a diffeernt outfit. I changed my hair about a month ago.

12:10 Morris Vig: Gotcha.

12:10 Ruby Glitter: What is Oyster Bay?

12:10 Morris Vig: My sculpture garden and aquarium

12:10 Ruby Glitter: Cool!

12:10 Morris Vig gave you Oyster Bay scultpure garden and aquarium, Oyster (40, 169, 82).

12:10 Morris Vig: Please stop by

12:10 Ruby Glitter: Thanks, i will.

12:10 Morris Vig: It's a fun sampler of SL artwork

12:10 Morris Vig: And the marine build is a hoot

12:11 errcheck Hicks: http://www.flickr.com/photos/venicevandal/sets/72157594474252794/

12:11 Morris Vig: IT also is a good place for groups like this to educate/inform.

12:11 errcheck Hicks: flickr photos of the demonstration at Le Pen HQ

12:11 Morris Vig: Saw some media/blog coverage

12:12 Morris Vig: I love that they left and replaced it with a casino

12:12 Morris Vig: So....SL of them

12:12 Morris Vig: Well, Ana's not online

12:12 errcheck Hicks: http://lapoliticalart.blogspot.com/

12:12 errcheck Hicks: Hi Drew

12:12 Morris Vig: Hey Drew

12:12 Ruby Glitter: Hey Drew.

12:12 Morris Vig: Sweet jetpack

12:12 Drew Frobozz: hey folks. sorry late

12:13 errcheck Hicks: I blogged at that url ...my take on it

12:13 Drew Frobozz: thx ;)

12:13 errcheck Hicks: Drew, what do you think about my building up above us

12:14 errcheck Hicks: If I go AFK it's because Time Warner can't run a grid

12:14 Drew Frobozz: going to look

12:14 Ruby Glitter: Welcoem, Viggo.

12:14 Viggo Engebretsen: hi all

12:14 Viggo Engebretsen waits for rez

12:15 errcheck Hicks: THX

12:15 Morris Vig: Hi Viggo - from Vig

12:16 errcheck Hicks: I have found the Anti National Front of France demonstrations to be very interesting, It has mostly been in French

12:16 Drew Frobozz: nice poster gallery errcheck

12:17 errcheck Hicks: But there have been many av from around the world there

12:17 errcheck Hicks: Ther is a SL Left Unity Group

12:17 errcheck Hicks: THX DREW

12:17 Morris Vig: Interesting blog entry, Err

12:17 errcheck Hicks: I have almost run out the prims tho

12:18 Morris Vig: I wrote about LePen back in the early 90's...underestimated how deep his sentiment runs in Europe.

12:18 Morris Vig: He's like Buchanan on amphetamines.

12:18 errcheck Hicks: The whole business of violence and griefing is interesting because here opposing factions can meet and talk, and violence doesn't really accomplish what it does on the streets in RL

12:18 Ruby Glitter: That's a good point.

12:19 Ruby Glitter: Let's try to hold the meeting under an hour today. :-)

12:19 Morris Vig: No - it's "play" conflict, like on the prime time talkies.

12:19 Morris Vig: Sorry Ruby.

12:19 Ruby Glitter: Not ap roblem!

12:19 Morris Vig zips it

12:20 Ruby Glitter: That discussion might be on the agenda! ;-)

12:20 Ruby Glitter: Of coursethe main thing we need to talk about is J27.

12:20 Ruby Glitter: I have another topic but it's not time-sensitive so I will hold it until after the event is done...

12:21 Ruby Glitter: I have some great notes (from Ana or errcheck, can't remember) with ideas for J27.

12:21 Ruby Glitter: What I don't know is what is actually happening. We will need to start prooting things - at least a place & time - ASAP.

12:21 Ruby Glitter: err, PROMOTING things

12:21 errcheck Hicks: I gave out some notes, and the "Young Americans" poster is a kiosk

12:22 Ruby Glitter: What does the kiosk give away?

12:22 errcheck Hicks: I have not distributed this kiosk widely because I wanted to get feedback from roots camp people first

12:22 Ruby Glitter: I tend not to click on things anymore unless I knwo whaty're going to do to me. ;-)

12:22 Ruby Glitter: Cool.

12:22 Kiosk - Simple whispers: Thank you! Your items will be delivered to you soon!

12:22 errcheck Hicks: It gives probably the same notecard you have

12:22 Kiosk.Net Server gave you Jan 27 Ideas.

12:23 Ruby Glitter: Yep. Got it.

12:23 errcheck Hicks: It swaps textures every 12 hours, and the controlling kiosk is up on floor three above us

12:23 Morris Vig: I'll need to see it.

12:24 Ruby Glitter: let's everyone click on the kiosk so we can all be looking at the same thing.

12:24 Kiosk - Simple whispers: Thank you! Your items will be delivered to you soon!

12:24 errcheck Hicks: Solidad Sugarbeet has said that we can have an event at the Conscious Lounge which is her place where she is currently having a French-English get together

12:25 errcheck Hicks: Doubledown Tardino will DJ for us by arrangement

12:25 Morris Vig: DD rocks

12:25 errcheck Hicks: I talked to some poetry poeple but they were worried about being political.....!!??

12:26 errcheck Hicks: The antifa events have brought together more people of a left persuasion

12:26 errcheck Hicks: I want to try to work that

12:26 Ruby Glitter: What would that event be?

12:27 Ruby Glitter: er, osrry WHEN

12:27 errcheck Hicks: I'm not sure what is hapn with ana

12:27 Morris Vig: Haven't heard from Ana recently.

12:27 errcheck Hicks: I know she was havn personal probs....

12:27 errcheck Hicks: So kind visits or messages would be nice

12:28 Ruby Glitter: Good idea.

12:28 errcheck Hicks: I am note really sure about the events, I feel my notecard is ambitious and I have had only a few successes in setting things up, and rather sketchy

12:29 Ruby Glitter: If we are going to do anything, we need ot promote it soon, and if we are going to promote we need a time and place - even if everything else is flexible. perhaps we come up with somethign simple and minimal that we know we can do. everythign else will be a bonus.

12:29 errcheck Hicks: 9 days, shit

12:29 Ruby Glitter: Exactly.

12:29 Ruby Glitter: What's aminimal event, that we know we can pull off? A speaker here in SL?

12:29 Ruby Glitter: A dance oarty?

12:30 Ruby Glitter: Live video feed?

12:30 Ruby Glitter: I'm not writing off the other ideas. I just want to know we'll have SOMETHING. :-)

12:30 errcheck Hicks: I think we have to make a decision by this weekend, if we only have a party at Solidad's that is fine, with live video feed

12:31 errcheck Hicks: I will try to make the Conscious Lounge a happening

12:31 Drew Frobozz: is there anything that could be done asynchronously that would allow a "result" to be created here in SL?

12:31 errcheck Hicks: Also check out "A Cup Of Joe" shes another progressive

12:31 Drew Frobozz: Like, a place where avatars could come drop a notecard, sign some graffiti on a wall, etc?

12:32 Ruby Glitter: That's a good idea.

12:32 Ruby Glitter: Is your drupal stuff far enough along that folks could drop a notecard and have it show up on a web site?

12:32 errcheck Hicks: mmm. I have done nothing in the last week on it, 2 busy

12:33 Drew Frobozz: We might get X avatars to a live "party" but 10X avatars to drop by an information center / peace memorial / party venue location to learn and "do something"

12:33 errcheck Hicks: And Time Warner is killing me

12:33 Drew Frobozz: over the course of a week...

12:33 Ruby Glitter: i think it shoudl just be that day - synchronized w/ the march.

12:33 Drew Frobozz: I think so

12:33 Drew Frobozz: let me check

12:33 Ruby Glitter: plus i can't do another week-long event, personally.

12:33 Morris Vig considers running away

12:33 Morris Vig: lol

12:33 Ruby Glitter: Don't so it! It's gonan be cool.

12:34 Ruby Glitter: We're gonna rock!

12:34 Morris Vig: i know

12:34 Morris Vig: joking

12:34 Ruby Glitter: I know. :-)

12:34 Morris Vig: at the thought of a week-long event

12:34 Ruby Glitter: I feel you, though.

12:34 Viggo Engebretsen listens carefully

12:34 Ruby Glitter: Oh, totally!

12:34 Morris Vig: sorry vig

12:34 Ruby Glitter: The last one justa bout killed me, and I have even less free time now.

12:34 Drew Frobozz: no not an event for a week-

12:34 Drew Frobozz: quite the opposite--

12:35 Drew Frobozz: creating something people can drop-in and do on their own here

12:35 Drew Frobozz: at any time during the course of a week

12:35 errcheck Hicks: A list of sponsoring organizations needs to be made up, and added to the note card, and the events set up and then the kiosk put erverywhere

12:35 Morris Vig: let me suggest: brainstorming is great, but we need to focus on SMALL, MEANINGFUL and ACHIEVEABLE.

12:35 Ruby Glitter: Agree, Morris!

12:35 errcheck Hicks: TY morris

12:35 Drew Frobozz: so that there DOESN'T have to be anything live / facilitated, etc.

12:35 Ruby Glitter: yeah, but buildig stuff might be just as much work as being here live.

12:36 Drew Frobozz: I was thinking just an info booth and something like Ruby suggested-- instructions to drop a notecard, and the text of those cards gets published online

12:36 Ruby Glitter: it depends on what it is.

12:36 Morris Vig: There you go

12:36 Ruby Glitter: But do we have the technology? (cue $6m man)

12:36 errcheck Hicks: If people are cool with my "Peace Emporium" or "Your name here" emporium, i will put it in the classified with a notice for the general scenario

12:36 Ruby Glitter: Can you explain that is, errcheck?

12:37 Ruby Glitter: sorry, WHAT that is

12:37 Morris Vig: Kaikou Splash has a link at his shop to a weblog-style guestbook

12:37 errcheck Hicks: you mean the general scenario? Peace!..... + a few events

12:38 errcheck Hicks: People could just come here, take a poster, and put it up, at a minimum

12:39 errcheck Hicks: I could go thru the members of the Progressive organizations and drop a prim on them, for Jan27

12:39 Drew Frobozz: Morris: cool-- link or location?

12:40 Ruby Glitter: I'm feeling dense, I don't get this.

12:40 Ruby Glitter: Is it poster distro?

12:40 Ruby Glitter: Are the posters just for peace in general?

12:40 Morris Vig: Ummm.... Splah Aquatics.

12:40 errcheck Hicks: The poster distro is a freebie marketing strategy

12:40 Morris Vig: let me get the lm

12:40 Ruby Glitter: what is it marketing?

12:40 Ruby Glitter: an event? an idea?

12:41 Morris Vig gave you Splash Aquatics, Gooruembalchi (112, 194, 70).

12:41 errcheck Hicks: both

12:41 Ruby Glitter: OK, what's Splash Aquatics?

12:41 Morris Vig: The place with the web-linked guestbook

12:42 Ruby Glitter: help me out guys! i'mjust trying to understand what yo're proposing. is it a cmapign to distribute peace posters, period?

12:42 Ruby Glitter: Thanks, Morris.

12:42 Morris Vig: np

12:43 errcheck Hicks: No, minimum...party at Solidad's with video feed of demo... but I do not see any committments to other events on the table

12:44 Ruby Glitter: I'm not saying a poster camapign is bad, I'm trying to make sure I understand what we would be doing. otherwise I ca't tell other people about it.

12:44 Ruby Glitter: So woudl the posters be for the event at Soledad's or about the march or?

12:45 Ruby Glitter: If I am being dense someone just explain it to me. ;-)

12:45 errcheck Hicks: Many Progressives here do not even know about each other, so the poster thing is to get some outreach out of the classified and events listings

12:45 Morris Vig: Err - you appear to be in the drivers seat on this one....I'm just a passenger.

12:46 Morris Vig: phone call - brb

12:46 Ruby Glitter: Well i think a peace posters collection is cool. which reminds me...

12:47 errcheck Hicks: The Kiosk could be made to give a particular poster, like for the event at Solidad's, but also invite people to come here and take any poster they like and display it.... one more message for peace

12:47 Ruby Glitter: with the stuff on diaply up aboce here, are those images sharable? It woudl be cool if you could click on each one to get a free copy.

12:47 errcheck Hicks: But If we want to launch a march at The COngress here, that's cool too, but we need commitments to organize it

12:48 Morris Vig: and to participate....

12:48 Ruby Glitter: That might be cool.

12:48 errcheck Hicks: I believe I set them as free to copy but I can put a giver script

12:48 Ruby Glitter: OK, I think free copies is fine. Let's put a sign @ the entrance that invites peopel to take copies.

12:49 Ruby Glitter: Let's starta page on our wiki of events, both con firmed and proposed.

12:49 Ruby Glitter: that way we can send people to that and it will always be updated.

12:49 errcheck Hicks: I was going to decorate the outside too, but I want to wait to be sure the building was OK with people

12:50 errcheck Hicks: OK nameing contest 'Radical's Emporium" I like, funny

12:50 Ruby Glitter: Each event or campaign needs someone who will be personally responsible for it.

12:50 errcheck Hicks: Yes

12:50 Ruby Glitter: Drew, are you OK with the gallery in the sky there?

12:51 errcheck Hicks: I say commitments in by monday or punt

12:51 Ruby Glitter: I think after january we can do a more thoughtful re-think of what we want from this space, and may rearrange then.

12:51 Ruby Glitter: Hey, Nobody!

12:51 Ruby Glitter: Since you do a lot of the building around here, let me ask youL is it OK to havethe pace building up above us?

12:51 errcheck Hicks: Nobody know the trouble I've seen

12:52 Ruby Glitter: Sorry the stool doesn't fit you av very well. :-(

12:52 Morris Vig: Hi Nobody

12:52 Nobody Fugazi: thats ok. We penguins are used to this.

12:52 Nobody Fugazi: Hi Morris

12:52 Nobody Fugazi: Hey Ruby

12:52 errcheck Hicks: You gonna dance or whut

12:52 Nobody Fugazi: (hey everybody)

12:52 Morris Vig: Sl is rough on the little guy.....

12:53 Ruby Glitter: OK, we have 7 minutes left of this meeting!

12:53 Ruby Glitter: Let's talk about what we are each PERSONALLY going to do. ;-)

12:53 Ruby Glitter: I will: • create a wiki page fo rlisting confirmed and tentative events. • look into doign a march on SL congress.

12:54 Ruby Glitter: also • blog about this next week.

12:54 errcheck Hicks: I will get SL group endorsements, via agreement with deciderers, not by votes, nobody votes....don't you??/

12:54 Morris Vig: I will learn to do bullets like Ruby. Too cool.

12:55 Ruby Glitter: option 8 on a Mac keyboard...

12:55 errcheck Hicks: I will setup with Solidad for an event there

12:55 Ruby Glitter: Great.

12:55 Morris Vig: And I also will be happy to host a vendor.....and will endeavor to be a participant on 1/27.

12:55 Ruby Glitter: what do you mean by host a vendor?

12:56 Morris Vig: I also thought I was supposed to get a speaker - perhaps an instructor per the last meeting I attended. But Ana was supposed to contact me....

12:56 errcheck Hicks: I will finalize and distribute kiosks pushing them

12:56 Morris Vig: Vendor - the poster vendor.

12:56 Morris Vig: kiosk

12:56 Morris Vig: thingee-giver-outer

12:57 Nobody Fugazi: touch-prim-give? or buy?

12:57 Ruby Glitter: if you do get an instructor/speaker, we will have an event with it.

12:57 Ruby Glitter: making a giver is a cinch.

12:57 Drew Frobozz: I will work with Nobody to look into a guest book / notecard --> weblog solution IF we think we'll have a venue here where we'd want to deploy it... At Solidad's?

12:57 Ruby Glitter: we don't nee dto buy one, unless it's somethign fancy.

12:57 errcheck Hicks: I will message the progressive groups, but many are still focused on the antifa

12:57 Nobody Fugazi: just handed Morris a script that will work in any prim. :-)

12:58 Ruby Glitter: Great. I have one, too.

12:58 Nobody Fugazi: froody.

12:58 Ruby Glitter: Who will make a "flyer"?

12:58 Morris Vig: Nobody - make sure that Err gets one too if not already...

12:58 Ruby Glitter: i can do it if no-one else wants to.

12:58 Nobody Fugazi: ok

12:59 Ruby Glitter: Drewm can you help with something?

12:59 Ruby Glitter: maybe the notecard to drupal link? Nobody, are you working on that?

12:59 Nobody Fugazi: umm..

12:59 Nobody Fugazi: well, yes and no. :-) Depends on workload. It's possible.

13:00 Nobody Fugazi: I'd love to say yes but I don't want to be fried penguin next week if it isn't done. :-)

13:00 Ruby Glitter: Fair enough.

13:00 Ruby Glitter: w00t! cool backflip.

13:00 Nobody Fugazi: oh... almost forgot...

13:01 Drew Frobozz: Ruby, that's what I meant with " I will work with Nobody to look into a guest book / notecard --> weblog solution IF we think we'll have a venue here where we'd want to deploy it... At Solidad's?" I'm traveling between now and Monday and mostly offline though...

13:01 Drew Frobozz: got to run...

13:01 Nobody Fugazi: you all may want to look into SLBuzz - blogged about it earlier this week: http://www.knowprose.com/node/17435

13:01 errcheck Hicks: If it a weblink I can add it to the kiosk notecard

13:01 Morris Vig: c ya drew

13:01 Nobody Fugazi: here's my profile: http://profiles.slbuzz.com/nobody-fugazi

13:01 Drew Frobozz: :)

13:01 Nobody Fugazi: hrm.

13:02 Nobody Fugazi: Drew pinged me and promptly vanished. lol

13:02 Ruby Glitter: D;oh!

13:02 Ruby Glitter: Well it's time to close out anyway.

13:02 Nobody Fugazi: 's ok. used to that.

13:02 Nobody Fugazi: seriously, though, check out SL Buzz as a way to create an organic group of sorts.

13:02 Ruby Glitter: Everyoen please come PROMPTLY next week as we will have lots to do. and please blog about this! i will send a link to the wiki page to our group.

13:03 errcheck Hicks: Probably should notice a day in advance, an hour, and 5 mins and on time...hheheheh

13:03 Ruby Glitter: I know.

13:03 Ruby Glitter: The probelm is only log into Sl for the meetings, I don't come every day.

13:04 Ruby Glitter: Will try to give more notice next time.

13:04 errcheck Hicks: you need to move in

13:04 Ruby Glitter: OK, then you nee dto go the rest of my job. ;-)

13:04 Ruby Glitter: er Do

13:04 errcheck Hicks: damn

13:04 Viggo Engebretsen grins

13:05 Ruby Glitter: I'm lucky I get paid to do this *at all!*

13:05 Ruby Glitter: Anyway, this meetign is adjourned. Sorry if i was brusque... just rtying to keep things moving.

13:05 errcheck Hicks: Thank You Ruby

13:05 Viggo Engebretsen: it's ok ruby

13:05 Morris Vig: We all need a seargant

13:06 Viggo Engebretsen: without you we'd all just be talk and listen and no movement

13:06 Ruby Glitter: yeah, but without you we'd all action and no soul. ;-)

13:06 Ruby Glitter: I will send some annoucenements/reminders out later.

13:06 Viggo Engebretsen: so far all i've doneis be late to every meeting =)

13:06 Viggo Engebretsen: thank you ruby.

13:07 Ruby Glitter: It still helps for you to be here.

13:07 Ruby Glitter: OK, I'm going to look at some of the resources y'all gave me today.

13:07 Ruby Glitter: Bye!

13:07 Viggo Engebretsen: wait!

13:07 Ruby Glitter: Yes?

13:07 Viggo Engebretsen: hug ruby

13:07 Kiss / Hug: Viggo would like give you a hug. Say Yes to accept.

13:07 Viggo gives Ruby a big hug.

13:07 Morris Vig: aw - it's all love

13:08 Nobody Fugazi: ok, I'm off like a herd of penguins. :-)

13:08 Viggo Engebretsen: at least it's all hugs

13:08 Nobody Fugazi: l8r :-D

13:08 errcheck Hicks: http://lapoliticalart.blogspot.com/

13:08 Viggo Engebretsen: yah, me back to work too

13:08 Ruby Glitter: :-)