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2/1/07 chat log

11:50 errcheck Hicks: Hi

11:50 errcheck Hicks: how u today

11:51 errcheck Hicks: Hi Thor

11:51 Thor Forte: hi there

11:51 Ruby Glitter: What's up Thor?

11:51 Thor Forte: just waiting on the event

11:51 errcheck Hicks: what event u mean the meerting

11:51 Thor Forte: oh yes

11:52 Ruby Glitter: Thor this meeting is for progressive activists.

11:52 Thor Forte: i am an activist

11:52 Ruby Glitter: By what definition are you prgoressive?

11:52 errcheck Hicks: Of course Thor, since you belong to a White separatist org we have to question your motives

11:52 Thor Forte: i don't understand why your giving me the cold shoulder

11:53 Thor Forte: "white separatist org" Huh ?

11:53 Ruby Glitter: beacuse you are a member of the FSNL.

11:53 errcheck Hicks: National Vanguard

11:53 Thor Forte: where in the world do you come up with that

11:53 Ruby Glitter: The FSNL's values are in contradiction with ours.

11:53 errcheck Hicks: um lets see, it's in your profile

11:54 Ruby Glitter: We woud havethe same prblem with a Republican party member attending.

11:54 Thor Forte: can i not hear of something progressive for a change?

11:55 Ruby Glitter: This is a meeting for peopel who are working for peace and other leftist or "progressive" values.

11:55 Thor Forte: there, changed the group above my head ;)

11:55 Ruby Glitter: If you don't share those values, it is not appropriate for you to participate.

11:55 Thor Forte: i'd like to work for peace and progressive vales as well

11:55 Thor Forte: how does one begin to help?

11:55 Ruby Glitter: Fist ne has to share those vaues.

11:55 Ruby Glitter: sorry, FIRST ONE has to...

11:56 errcheck Hicks: Thor that would appear to me to be a big turn about from the NV philosophies

11:56 Thor Forte: why do you assume i don't?

11:56 Thor Forte: you have a special place in your heart for the NV i see..

11:57 Thor Forte: why does national vanguard interest you so much?

11:57 Ruby Glitter: Because you are a member and supporter of the FSNL. Like I said, I woul d havethe same reaction to a US republican party member attending.

11:57 Ruby Glitter: You don't share our goals.

11:57 errcheck Hicks: Actually i foung the website to be very entertaining, as if written by the Onion

11:57 Thor Forte: fnsl is no harm to anyone

11:57 Ruby Glitter: I didn't say it was.

11:58 Thor Forte: its a very informative site indeed

11:58 errcheck Hicks: Our focus here is not on the FSNL, that's the antifn

11:58 Ruby Glitter: This is a political meeting for people who share an agenda. I don't believe you share that agenda with us.

11:59 Thor Forte: i'm not here to grief anyone, just want to be educated on your plight

11:59 Ruby Glitter: Then please read our website.

11:59 Ruby Glitter: You can even get the transcripts of our meetings there,

11:59 Thor Forte: if i wanted to grief i wouldn't do it looking like this

11:59 Thor Forte: errr. lagggg :(

12:00 Ruby Glitter: I think your presence here will make people uncomfortable and could be disrptive ot our meeting.

12:00 Ruby Glitter: Will you please leave?

12:00 Thor Forte: very well

12:00 Thor Forte: take care then

12:00 Ruby Glitter: You too.

12:00 errcheck Hicks: Thank u for understanding

12:00 Ruby Glitter: Thanks for your consideration, Thor.

12:01 Ruby Glitter: Ug!

12:01 errcheck Hicks: heheheh

12:01 Ruby Glitter: I know it's super easy for anyone to "spy" on us anyway if they like.

12:01 Ruby Glitter: just make a new avatar...

12:01 errcheck Hicks: there is no security on the internet

12:01 Ruby Glitter: it's still bull shit.

12:01 Ruby Glitter: Where is everyone?

12:02 Ruby Glitter: I thought we'd be mobbed today!

12:02 errcheck Hicks: ah...meetings

12:02 Ruby Glitter: hey rik!

12:02 Rik Riel: hi guys

12:02 errcheck Hicks: IM the laggards

12:02 Ruby Glitter: We just politely got our nazi friend to leave.

12:02 errcheck Hicks: Hi Rik

12:02 Rik Riel: niiiiice

12:02 errcheck Hicks: Thor was here....

12:03 Ruby Glitter: first he tried to argue that he was progressive, then that he wanted ot learn about our "plight" :-)

12:03 errcheck Hicks: I have a good article-notecard on how fractured the RW hate groups are

12:03 errcheck Hicks: It's typical arrogance

12:03 errcheck Hicks: we must be misled or stupid somehow

12:04 Rik Riel: common hatred is not a good uniter

12:04 Ruby Glitter: I wonder if should eject him from the group, or would that just fan the flames?

12:04 Rik Riel: even hatred of bush

12:04 errcheck Hicks: I think it is reasonable to expel him, but also since he wants to dialog, it might be interesting

12:04 Ruby Glitter: BTW, errcheck, you kow you have both boobs and beard on?

12:04 Ruby Glitter: It's an interesting look. ;-)

12:04 errcheck Hicks: hmmm, not in my client

12:05 errcheck Hicks: wierd

12:05 Ruby Glitter: Ah.

12:05 Rik Riel: I see it too

12:05 Rik Riel: nice picture of molly btw

12:05 errcheck Hicks: nice database SL

12:05 Ruby Glitter: yeah. each person truly gets their own reality.

12:05 Ruby Glitter: Now you look like all-guy.

12:06 errcheck Hicks: All i did was open and close appearance, to be sure i was marked a guy

12:06 Rik Riel: what's up with drew?

12:06 Ruby Glitter: he's at awedding in mexico all week!,

12:06 Rik Riel: wow. bummer he missed all the fun.

12:06 errcheck Hicks: I msgd him...oh thats why

12:06 Rik Riel: but mexico is great

12:06 Ruby Glitter: Sent me a message last weekend to let me know he's be gone.

12:06 Ruby Glitter: I don't blame him. I went there for my honeymoon.

12:06 errcheck Hicks: Nobody turned autoreturn on so I had to move everything

12:07 Ruby Glitter: I was wondering what went down.

12:07 Ruby Glitter: So did you rearrange all this furntiure?

12:07 Ruby Glitter: It looks good. neat.

12:07 Ruby Glitter: I got some stuff returned to me.

12:07 Rik Riel: me too

12:07 Ruby Glitter: perhaps I shoudl put the info board back up behind the plat form.

12:07 Ruby Glitter: what's up the TV?

12:07 errcheck Hicks: Yes, we really can only use two lots, the one we are on is Rootscamp owned, and the one the posters are on is Drew owned

12:08 Ruby Glitter: er, WITH the TV

12:08 errcheck Hicks: I deeded the TV and VCR to Rootscamp

12:08 Ruby Glitter: Nice Molly Ivins pics!

12:08 Ruby Glitter: I just notuced it.

12:08 Rik Riel: I miss Molly already

12:08 Ruby Glitter: But what doe sthe TV do?

12:08 errcheck Hicks: There is a notecard in the VCR which holds the channels

12:08 errcheck Hicks: I believe I am missing some permissions to modify that card

12:09 Ruby Glitter: Can we move the TV over and make room for the display board?

12:09 errcheck Hicks: We can hook it up to any .mov file on the internet,,, Like Rik's video of the march

12:09 Ruby Glitter: Cool!

12:09 Rik Riel: WOOT!!!!!

12:09 Ruby Glitter: I gies I shoudl stop drinking now...

12:10 errcheck Hicks: there u go

12:10 Ruby Glitter: OK?

12:10 Rik Riel: the video says its been viewed 50,000 times!

12:10 errcheck Hicks: That seems excessive, but great

12:10 Rik Riel: I know I know

12:11 Rik Riel: but presumably google knows how to run stats

12:11 errcheck Hicks: U must have gotten some good listing

12:11 errcheck Hicks: slashdotted??

12:11 Rik Riel: well wonkette is high up on the blog listings

12:11 errcheck Hicks: wonkett referred, that is hot

12:11 errcheck Hicks: I check it everyday

12:11 Rik Riel: better, wonkette TRASHED

12:11 Ruby Glitter: yeah. I heart wonkette. obviously.

12:12 Ruby Glitter: BTW, can I removethe "go to the march" sign now?

12:12 errcheck Hicks: wonkette trashed us...grate

12:12 Rig Mainline: hiya

12:12 errcheck Hicks: oh sure, it is just nostalgia now

12:12 Ruby Glitter: Hi Rig!

12:12 errcheck Hicks: I will repackage all the posters too

12:12 Rig Mainline: i got a notice something was starting in 25mins

12:13 errcheck Hicks: I just wanted to leave them up for some tail end buzz

12:13 Ruby Glitter: yep, we are having our weekly SL Netroots meeting.

12:13 Ruby Glitter: Just starting casually since not many peopel are here.

12:13 Rig Mainline: oh ic

12:13 Ruby Glitter: Wre you at the protest, Rig?

12:13 No room to sit here, try another spot.

12:14 Rig Mainline: no... just in front of my computer at home..

12:14 Ruby Glitter: I meant the SL proest on Monday. We were all at our computers. ;-)

12:14 Rig Mainline: aww i missed it :(

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12:15 errcheck Hicks: I still run into people who wish they were there, didn't hear

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12:16 errcheck Hicks: Agenda??

12:16 errcheck Hicks: Positive Strokes

12:16 Rik Riel: I have some questions about the video

12:16 Rik Riel: and post-mortem protest chat

12:16 Ruby Glitter: OK. My ideas for the agenda were:

12:16 Ruby Glitter: 1. de brief the march

12:16 Ruby Glitter: 2. talk about how to better use this space

12:16 errcheck Hicks: can we change "mortem"

12:16 Ruby Glitter: 3. talk abaout future plans, how to keep the good energy flowing.

12:17 errcheck Hicks: yes

12:17 Ruby Glitter: OK, so #1... the march rocked!

12:17 Ruby Glitter: :-D

12:17 errcheck Hicks: YAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

12:17 Rik Riel: WOOT!!!!! woot

12:17 Rik Riel pats everyone

12:17 errcheck Hicks: V^vv^V HoWlLLzZz V^vv^V

12:18 Ruby Glitter: I was a little concerned about not having a specific activity fo rthe capitol, but I figured peopel would fill in their own ideas. And they did!

12:18 Ruby Glitter: But at the same time, people have a short attention span, so the next thing shoudl prolly be more structured.

12:18 errcheck Hicks: Did I miss the actual march, cause whe I got there everybody was just standing on the steps

12:18 errcheck Hicks: Choreography

12:18 Rik Riel: yeah it was from like 2:10

12:19 Rik Riel: pretty fast march

12:19 errcheck Hicks: We needed both sims

12:19 Rik Riel: I think the march may have been the weakest part of the event

12:19 Ruby Glitter: yes, we actually walked around the circle.

12:19 Ruby Glitter: I got some footage of that

12:19 errcheck Hicks: I had to switch the "go to march things at like 2:10

12:19 Ruby Glitter: yeah, i felt liek we were too spread out in the march.

12:20 Rik Riel: it's hard to have a crowd move together

12:20 Ruby Glitter: i couldn't tell how fast to go.

12:20 errcheck Hicks: It appeared so in the photos and video

12:20 Avs Against info giver gave you RootsCamp J27 info card.

12:20 Avs Against info giver gave you Avatars Against The War.

12:20 Rik Riel: the idea of a march needs a re-think for sure

12:20 errcheck Hicks: That's where if we could get group animations it could be really cool

12:20 errcheck Hicks: I picked up a peace gesture

12:20 Ruby Glitter: yeah.

12:20 Rik Riel: i.e. a congo line for peace

12:21 Ruby Glitter: Cool.

12:21 Rik Riel: or hokey pokey for peace

12:21 Ruby Glitter: Dancing is def. good.

12:21 Ruby Glitter: anythign we can make an animation for.

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12:22 Rik Riel: I agree with Ruby taht the lack of s tructured activity wasn't great

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12:22 Rik Riel: i.e. a speaker, or common activity

12:23 Ruby Glitter: I thoguht it worked well for this, but I think we have to have "somethign more" next time.

12:23 errcheck Hicks: it's called rawr 6, from Reel Motion

12:23 Ruby Glitter: Huh?

12:23 errcheck Hicks: The Peace gesture, i bought it from a SL animator

12:23 Ruby Glitter: Ah, yes.

12:24 errcheck Hicks: I also like to see "Radical Cheerleaders"

12:24 errcheck Hicks: Where there are cheerleader like acrobatics, to radical cheers

12:24 Ruby Glitter: yeah.

12:24 Ruby Glitter: perhaps other groups want to organize things to do.

12:24 errcheck Hicks: They are a national phenomena

12:24 Rik Riel: before we move on to suggestions for next time, were there any other negatives or criticisms?

12:25 Ruby Glitter: Or groups can create and donate animations to promote themselves.

12:25 Ruby Glitter: Well i was happily surpised by no griefers.

12:25 Rik Riel: yes!

12:27 Rik Riel: /errcheck is writing a novelette over there

12:27 Ruby Glitter: yeah. i can't wait o read it. ;-)

12:27 errcheck Hicks is Offline

12:27 Ruby Glitter: I hope he's not hung. sometimes my client crashes

12:27 Rik Riel: oh he lagged

12:27 Ruby Glitter: and. yep.

12:27 Ruby Glitter: d'oh.

12:27 Rik Riel: on to the next topic!

12:28 Ruby Glitter: Rik, di dyou have other feedback about the march?

12:28 Rik Riel: well my main fuckup was not doing my video settings properly

12:28 Ruby Glitter: Hmm.

12:28 Rik Riel: having multiple people be in thcarge or recording and shooting is essential

12:28 Rik Riel: we got lucky with In Kenzo and some other footage being available

12:29 Rik Riel: but the reality is that people crash and people have their machines set up wrong so you need backups

12:29 Ruby Glitter: yeah.

12:29 Ruby Glitter: I was pretty sad to lose the chat log of mot of the event. ;-(

12:29 Ruby Glitter: of moSt

12:30 Rik Riel: but in general I was happy with the video and photo archiving of the event

12:30 Rik Riel: we get a lot more mileage out of our efforts by posting video and pictures and blog posts

12:30 Ruby Glitter: It was great to see peopel usig the tag on flickr, technorati, etc.

12:30 Rik Riel: the next step is really a more coordinated press and blog outreach

12:30 Ruby Glitter: Sure, but in service of what? ;-)

12:31 Ruby Glitter: First we need a good campaign.

12:31 Rik Riel: i.e. having ready right after the event a press release and distributions channels and people really to get the word out

12:31 Rik Riel: it's not hard, just takes some thinking and planning

12:31 Ruby Glitter: I'm not sure of we have enough people to really start creating a movement in here. ie: how do we decide what issues to take on, and what to do about them?

12:32 Ruby Glitter: i liek ot see our role as prining progressives together in SL.

12:32 Ruby Glitter: I know Drew wants to se ethis used as an electoral campaign tool, I'm more into advocacy campaigns....

12:32 Ruby Glitter: I can't sustain the level of stuff I've been doing here all the time. but bursts of it are cool.

12:33 Rik Riel: I know. my point is only that for whoever holds events like this in the past, there are outreach opportunities that shouldn't be lost

12:33 Ruby Glitter: yes.

12:33 Ruby Glitter: I'd like ot invite everyone who attended the march to join the SL Netroots group, to keep them engaged.

12:33 Rik Riel: we got lucky with BBC, but we could easily ahve had NYT or reuters or WIRED

12:33 Rik Riel: yes for sure

12:33 Ruby Glitter: We shoudl have had reuters.

12:33 Rik Riel: is there a list available?

12:33 Ruby Glitter: I think ADam Reuters really missed the boat by not covering this.

12:34 Ruby Glitter: I think he Clear Ink people may haev alist.

12:34 Rik Riel: well he was busy in Davos

12:34 Rik Riel: probably skiing now

12:34 Ruby Glitter: Also, errcheck had a counter here, so we can at least see who came through.

12:34 Rik Riel: lucky duck

12:34 Rik Riel: I'd like to have a targeted conversation on how best to use SL for demonstrations and other political events

12:35 Ruby Glitter: Yeah.

12:35 errcheck Hicks is Online

12:35 Rik Riel: maybe even invite the socialist party folks from france

12:35 Ruby Glitter: yay, errcheck's back!

12:35 Rik Riel: hi errcheck

12:35 errcheck Hicks: must kill Time Warner

12:35 Rik Riel: yeah

12:36 Ruby Glitter: Ow, bummer.

12:36 Rik Riel: errcheck were you going to make a point about the demo?

12:36 errcheck Hicks: I may go AFK, the guy is still up on the pole

12:36 Ruby Glitter: we're talking about what this should become and how to do future events better.

12:36 Ruby Glitter: Rig, can I ask what made you come today? I'm curious about your impressions and your interests.

12:37 errcheck Hicks: As long as this war goes on I think we should have monthly demos

12:37 errcheck Hicks: even a daily vigil

12:37 Rig Mainline: looked interesting

12:37 errcheck Hicks: Perhaps weekly marches of small groups thru polular areas

12:37 Rig Mainline: tell you the truth, i was bored so i came

12:38 Ruby Glitter: Hmm.

12:38 Rik Riel: how about teach-ins in newbie friendly places

12:38 Rik Riel: welcome areas, shelter, etc

12:38 errcheck Hicks: Yes teach-in

12:38 Ruby Glitter: I like the idea of a vigil.

12:39 Ruby Glitter: yes to n00b-friendly as well.

12:39 Ruby Glitter: Hi, Old.

12:39 Rik Riel: hey old

12:39 errcheck Hicks: Hi

12:39 Old McDunnough: hi

12:39 Old McDunnough: Sorry I'm late

12:39 Ruby Glitter: We' talking about what we' like to do next.

12:39 Old McDunnough: And will have to leave shortly

12:40 Ruby Glitter: OK. Any quick feedback on the march?

12:40 Ruby Glitter: positive or neagtive?

12:40 Old McDunnough: Loved it. It was very surreal

12:40 Old McDunnough: I had recruited some people to join, and one of them tried.

12:40 Old McDunnough: It was her first time in world, and she got propositioned as soon as she showed up.

12:40 Old McDunnough: So she quit her application before heading where she was supposed to go

12:40 errcheck Hicks: bleh

12:40 Ruby Glitter: I could't even get my partner to come.

12:40 Ruby Glitter: Oh, that sucks!

12:40 Rik Riel: man, I never get propositioned

12:41 Ruby Glitter: I've never had that happen!

12:41 errcheck Hicks: I do, but in my Xena outfit

12:41 Ruby Glitter: I guess I didn't stay in the welcome area long

12:41 Old McDunnough: I had to leave the march about 30 minutes into it, unfortunately, so I missed some of the tech stuff.

12:41 Old McDunnough: Did the servers crash? (I gathered that happened from reading Ruby's blog)

12:41 errcheck Hicks: no, lagged

12:42 Ruby Glitter: That guy Rig must be really bored! ;-)

12:42 errcheck Hicks: A lot of the signs were greyed for me

12:42 Ruby Glitter: yeah it was just laggy. My client crashed twice and some people's hair looked weird.

12:42 errcheck Hicks: being bored means you are not interested in other people

12:42 Ruby Glitter: my pig tails were missing, por ejemplo.

12:43 Old McDunnough: I have a class coming in about 3 minutes, so I'm going to have to book. All of my afternoons are pretty filled, unfortunately, but I really want to express my appreciation to everyone here for making that weekend happen.

12:43 Old McDunnough: It rocked

12:43 errcheck Hicks: Yeah baby

12:43 Old McDunnough: The machinima was cool, too.

12:43 Ruby Glitter: Thanks, Old. Thanks for blogging about it too.

12:43 Rik Riel: thanks for coming!

12:43 Old McDunnough: I'll catch you next week, if I can. I am reading the wiki.

12:43 errcheck Hicks: Yeah, i didn't see any greying in your video so u must have a good client Rik

12:43 Rik Riel: btw I can't get into the wiki

12:43 Ruby Glitter: I think Rik's blog may have been the tipping point.

12:44 Ruby Glitter: the wiki pw is "bad camper"

12:44 Rik Riel: ahhh

12:44 Ruby Glitter: it was more open but was getting spammed.

12:44 Ruby Glitter: feel free to wiki away!

12:45 Ruby Glitter: hello, Vinny!

12:45 Ruby Glitter: Welcome.

12:45 Vinny Romeo: hello!

12:45 Rik Riel: hi vin

12:45 Vinny Romeo: thank you!

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12:46 Ruby Glitter: We are just discussing the march on Monday, were you there?

12:46 Rik Riel: it would be good to do a post-event survey to find out how people found out about the event, and why they came

12:46 Vinny Romeo: yes

12:46 Vinny Romeo: in capitol hill

12:47 Ruby Glitter: yes. Do you have any feedback, positive or negative?

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12:48 errcheck Hicks: I saw a lot of sign holder go limp

12:48 Vinny Romeo: I liked it. An event to stop the war is always right.

12:48 Ruby Glitter: yeah, were problems with teh sign-holding script.

12:49 Vinny Romeo: yes, here it worked

12:49 Rik Riel: errcheck, we were talking when you got logged out about assembling some kind of list of who was there

12:49 Vinny Romeo: but in capitol hill it did'nt

12:49 Rik Riel: can we pull the visitor log for rootscamp right before the event

12:49 errcheck Hicks: I have visitor logs of those who came here

12:49 Rik Riel: cool

12:50 errcheck Hicks: that is too long, thats the meditation pad

12:50 Vinny Romeo: ?

12:50 errcheck Hicks: I'm just showing u waht the list maker does

12:50 errcheck Hicks: say list

12:50 Rik Riel: oh

12:51 errcheck Hicks: Those are the peole from today

12:51 Ruby Glitter: Cool.

12:51 errcheck Hicks: I have daily visitor logs which I can give u

12:51 Ruby Glitter: I was saying while you were offline that we shoudl invite peopel to the group who were at rootsCamp over the weekend.

12:51 Vinny Romeo: oh, useful to make stats

12:51 Ruby Glitter: That woudl be great.

12:51 Ruby Glitter: I wil on;y send them one polite invitation. no spamming.

12:51 Rik Riel: fer sure'

12:52 Rik Riel: I think glitteractica was here momentarily

12:52 errcheck Hicks gave you Visitor List 1/31/70 Prog Island.

12:52 errcheck Hicks gave you VISITOR LIST 01/30 8:10am.

12:52 errcheck Hicks gave you VisitorListJan29-9am.

12:52 errcheck Hicks gave you Visitor List Sunday Morn.

12:53 errcheck Hicks: some of those lists may be overlapping

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12:54 errcheck Hicks: as far as at the Capitol, I did take some screen shots, but I don't think that got everybody

12:54 errcheck Hicks: I get the names in the screen shots

12:54 Ruby Glitter: We are almost out of time, but I wante dot talk about the space.

12:54 Ruby Glitter: We can talk more about it next time.

12:54 errcheck Hicks: Yes

12:54 Ruby Glitter: I liek how it's been straightened out.

12:54 Ruby Glitter: As you can see i'm putting the info sign back up, you can change it easily through chat.

12:55 errcheck Hicks: We need to find out about Drews property

12:55 Ruby Glitter: yes.

12:55 errcheck Hicks: I planned on taking the posters down, this weekend

12:55 Ruby Glitter: I wonder if he woudl rent some parcels to us while they're not being used.

12:55 errcheck Hicks: I will find a new place

12:55 Ruby Glitter: Let's leave the posters until he he needs the space back.

12:56 errcheck Hicks: I asked him about rent and he said he would have to ask

12:56 Rik Riel: the somewhat chaotic presentation is rather nice

12:56 Ruby Glitter: :-)

12:56 Ruby Glitter: Are there other buildings or objects that would be good ot have here?

12:56 errcheck Hicks: Trellon is the Island Owner and Nobody works for them

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12:56 errcheck Hicks: Nobody Figazi

12:56 errcheck Hicks: Fugazi

12:56 Rik Riel: how about a library / resource cneter?

12:57 Rik Riel: organizing tools, about rootscamp notecards, etc

12:57 errcheck Hicks: Another suggestion for discussion....Commonwealth?

12:57 errcheck Hicks: It is so beautiful

12:58 Ruby Glitter: Nice place, but there's not much flexivbility there.

12:58 errcheck Hicks: True

12:58 errcheck Hicks: We appear to be pretty prim limited here tho

12:58 Ruby Glitter: but wouldn't it be the same there?

12:58 errcheck Hicks: 107/117 here on this lot

12:58 errcheck Hicks: Maybe

12:58 Ruby Glitter: what does that mean?

12:59 errcheck Hicks: That means we can only create to more prims on this lot

12:59 errcheck Hicks: 10

12:59 errcheck Hicks: I have run up against the limit a number of times

12:59 errcheck Hicks: That seems like a very skimpy budget

13:00 errcheck Hicks: but we'll have to discuss that with Drew

13:00 Ruby Glitter: Hmm, and what do you get at Commonwealth Isl?

13:00 errcheck Hicks: I didn't check it there

13:00 errcheck Hicks: But if all we need is meeting space, that is easy

13:01 errcheck Hicks: To set up a recource center, we would need to define it

13:01 errcheck Hicks: The other lots on this island hove tons of prims budgetied

13:01 errcheck Hicks: Probably for sale

13:02 Ruby Glitter: Hmm. I definitely would liek to have other cool stuff around, liek you have on Commonwealth.

13:02 Ruby Glitter: On the other hand, we can ask Drew for stuff and usually get it.

13:02 Ruby Glitter: I don't know.

13:02 errcheck Hicks: hayduke has been incrementally enhancing it

13:03 errcheck Hicks: and he has a clear architectural vision, pastoral paradise

13:03 errcheck Hicks: If you go there, ride the geyser

13:03 Rik Riel: afk

13:03 Ruby Glitter: I heard abot that. It wasn't there last time I was there.

13:04 errcheck Hicks: the steam scripter has done a fantastic job

13:04 Ruby Glitter: neat!

13:04 errcheck Hicks: This is a good place for meetings too

13:05 errcheck Hicks: I want to continue the class on fascism, and invite Thor....!!!!!!!!!!!

13:05 Ruby Glitter: Woah.

13:05 Ruby Glitter: the TV suddenly started playing hard rock!

13:05 errcheck Hicks: There's nuthin like real life nazis

13:05 Vinny Romeo: sorry

13:05 Ruby Glitter: Can we pt Rik's video on it?

13:05 Rik Riel: lol

13:06 Vinny Romeo: y changed the channel?

13:06 Vinny Romeo: I

13:06 errcheck Hicks: That's the problem with the VCR, we need to setup our channels

13:06 Ruby Glitter: Oh, I see.,

13:06 Ruby Glitter: Oh i see.

13:06 Ruby Glitter: i hadn't clicked it.

13:06 errcheck Hicks: u can just stop video at the bottonm of the screen

13:06 Ruby Glitter: I know.

13:07 Ruby Glitter: Can we just put our own content into it and not have the other stuff?

13:07 errcheck Hicks: Yes, the content is completely programmable

13:07 Ruby Glitter: Cool. I'de like to keep it vaguely related to rootscamp/politics...

13:07 errcheck Hicks: Take a copy of the Media card in the VCR, and edit it and put it back

13:08 Ruby Glitter: Ah.

13:08 errcheck Hicks: but that's the problem i have been having, it won't let me replace the one that's in there

13:08 Ruby Glitter: it won't let me open those cards.

13:08 errcheck Hicks: I thought u Ruby might have better group power than I

13:09 Ruby Glitter: mm, power....

13:09 Ruby Glitter: it's not letting me. :-(

13:09 errcheck Hicks: Maybe I'll have to im the DTV guys

13:09 Ruby Glitter: On a similar note, I gave you two permission to edit that green info display.

13:09 errcheck Hicks: can u rename the Media card?

13:10 Ruby Glitter: Click on it to activate it, then chat on channel two to change the message.

13:10 Ruby Glitter: Oh, let me try renaming.

13:10 DTV Customisable DVD Player v2.1.2 shouts: Unable to add item!

13:10 errcheck Hicks: yeah that's what I get

13:10 Ruby Glitter: Yes, I cn rename the cards, but it says "Unable to add item"

13:11 errcheck Hicks: and if u check it again, nothing's changed

13:11 errcheck Hicks: I can add cards, but not delete the main one

13:11 errcheck Hicks: i bopught that thing too!

13:12 Ruby Glitter: Dang.

13:12 errcheck Hicks: Do you basically feel OK with the cirrent layout here tho, because the prims count won't let us do much more

13:12 Ruby Glitter: Actually, I

13:12 Ruby Glitter: I'm liking it a lot.

13:13 errcheck Hicks: Good, it does feel comfortable to me

13:13 errcheck Hicks: We can try something different on Drew's land too

13:13 Ruby Glitter: We could do more, but i want to do it strategically.

13:13 errcheck Hicks: 41/117 prims there

13:13 errcheck Hicks: NP

13:14 Rik Riel: personally I kinda miss the circular format with the little chairs

13:14 Ruby Glitter: i can put those back easily.

13:14 errcheck Hicks: I can spawn a smart chair anytime

13:15 errcheck Hicks: I took it away cause it blocked my view of Moyy Ivins

13:15 errcheck Hicks: Molly

13:15 errcheck Hicks: u mean the barrels?

13:15 Rik Riel: yeah

13:15 Vinny Romeo: ok, guys I must leave

13:15 Vinny Romeo: bye!

13:15 errcheck Hicks: bye vinny

13:15 Can't create object 'Sit Target - green cushion' because the parcel 'RootsCampSL Dedicated Parcel' at Progressive Island 181.905, 42.531 is full.

13:16 Ruby Glitter: Thanks for coming, Vinny.

13:16 Can't create object 'Sit Target - green cushion' because the parcel 'RootsCampSL Dedicated Parcel' at Progressive Island 182.238, 42.2609 is full.

13:16 Ruby Glitter: D'oh, can't put stools back. "parcel is full"

13:16 errcheck Hicks: Ongoing workshops!

13:16 errcheck Hicks: Yeah we have to get rid of stuff

13:17 errcheck Hicks: I'll see if I can delete anything,,,now or later?

13:17 Ruby Glitter: No biggie.

13:17 Ruby Glitter: i have to go soon anyway.

13:17 Ruby Glitter: any suggestions for how to get more peopel to come next week? and what to talk about?

13:17 errcheck Hicks: If we move things across the property line that frees prims

13:18 Rik Riel: let's spam the people from the proest

13:18 Rik Riel: protest

13:18 Ruby Glitter: :-)

13:18 Rik Riel: also can we get it on the real SL events notices

13:18 Rik Riel: ?

13:18 errcheck Hicks: im wid dat

13:18 Ruby Glitter: OK, I'll tak ethe logs you gave me and invite htem to the group.

13:18 Rik Riel: seriously, we have good momentum, we should build on that

13:18 Ruby Glitter: yeah!

13:18 errcheck Hicks: That's right I am always checking for events to propagandize at

13:19 errcheck Hicks: jk

13:19 Ruby Glitter: ;-)

13:19 Ruby Glitter: It's called "outreach!"

13:19 errcheck Hicks: What do you think would be a good workshop?

13:20 Rik Riel: I suggested doing a workshop on in-world political speech / protest strategies

13:20 errcheck Hicks: Thats good

13:20 Rik Riel: from griefing to teach-ins

13:21 errcheck Hicks: Hey Hep

13:21 Rik Riel: hi hep

13:21 errcheck Hicks: Yeah, Little Gray could do a presentation maybe from the ACLU standpoint

13:21 Ruby Glitter: Hi Hepnove.

13:21 Hepnova Beaumont: hi

13:21 errcheck Hicks: We could get the degriefer here too Rock

13:22 Hepnova Beaumont: I'm totally new to SL, just checking things out

13:22 Ruby Glitter: OK. Are you interested in progressive politics or activism?

13:22 Rik Riel: otherwise I'm interested in comparative politics discussions with other organizers from other countries

13:22 Hepnova Beaumont: yeah

13:22 Rik Riel: i.e. the Socialist Party folks in France

13:23 Hepnova Beaumont: I'm doing research for Avaaz.org, which is an international online political campaign org

13:23 errcheck Hicks: Yes and there is also the Scottish Socialists

13:23 errcheck Hicks: Oooooh

13:23 Ruby Glitter: ACLU tie in is a good idea.

13:23 Hepnova Beaumont: I'm based in NYC, but we are international

13:23 Rik Riel: Hi Hep, I'm in NYC also

13:23 Hepnova Beaumont: hi Rik

13:23 Ruby Glitter: Oh, I now your colleague at AVAAZ, Iain (sp?)

13:24 Hepnova Beaumont: oh cool

13:24 Hepnova Beaumont: he's sitting right next to me

13:24 errcheck Hicks: Very cool website

13:24 Ruby Glitter: yay! tell him Ruby said hi. I met him at a Greenpeace meetin in the Netherlands.

13:25 Ruby Glitter: Unfortunately, we're just wrapping up, Hepnova.

13:25 Hepnova Beaumont: cool, Iain says hi

13:25 Hepnova Beaumont: no prob

13:25 Ruby Glitter: But please come back next week.

13:25 Ruby Glitter: Are you a member of the SL Netroots group?

13:25 Hepnova Beaumont: not yet

13:25 Hepnova Beaumont: how do I join?

13:26 Ruby Glitter: I'll invite you.

13:26 Hepnova Beaumont: cool

13:26 Ruby Glitter: then you'll get group notices.

13:26 Rik Riel: interesting group, Hep

13:26 D-TV X6 Final 8x6m (Without Stand) whispers: Autoplay Enabled

13:27 Ruby Glitter: OK, there was some old fashioned bobbies on the TV...

13:27 Ruby Glitter: Did everyone else see that?

13:27 Ruby Glitter: Funny,

13:27 Hepnova Beaumont: I'm looking into ways we can bring our campaigns to SL

13:27 Hepnova Beaumont: yeah, I saw the boobies too

13:27 Hepnova Beaumont: kinda embarrassing here in the office

13:27 Ruby Glitter: Sorry 'bout that.

13:27 Ruby Glitter: errcheck, we may need to get our OWN stuff in tehre before we put the TV up. ;-)

13:28 Rik Riel: hepnova, we'd love your advice on how to integrate some of the intl campaign strategies into SL

13:28 errcheck Hicks: I'll work on it or delete it

13:29 Ruby Glitter: There have been a lot of international folks coming to our stuff, but we didn't have a lot of int'l focus.

13:29 Hepnova Beaumont: alright

13:29 Hepnova Beaumont: yeah, we are finding that challenging too

13:29 Hepnova Beaumont: especially the language thing

13:29 Hepnova Beaumont: translating our site into so many languages

13:29 Hepnova Beaumont: takes more time an money than we originally though

13:30 Rik Riel: translations are a huge money sink

13:30 Ruby Glitter: yeah.

13:30 Ruby Glitter: I've got to go do somethign by 5pm, so...

13:30 Hepnova Beaumont: yeah, we want the appearance of being international

13:30 errcheck Hicks: Babbler here has been quite a boon to translation, but it is currently broken

13:30 Ruby Glitter: Let's all stay intouch this week so we can have a kick-ass meeting next week.

13:30 Hepnova Beaumont: but honestly our email list is like 90 percent English speakers anyway

13:30 errcheck Hicks: OK Ruby, u take care

13:30 Hepnova Beaumont: looking into collaborative or open source/free translations

13:31 Ruby Glitter: Bye y'all. Talk to you soon!