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2/15/07 chat log

11:59 Ana Herzog: she should be here

11:59 errcheck Hicks: I have both music and video working here now

11:59 Ruby Glitter: hey y'all!

12:00 No room to sit here, try another spot.

12:00 Jaz Flossberg: Hi Ruby

12:00 errcheck Hicks: But let me know if it doesn't work for you

12:00 errcheck Hicks: Hi Ruby

12:00 Ruby Glitter: How ya been, Ana?

12:00 Ana Herzog: busy pinking dc

12:00 Ruby Glitter: Awesome. :-)

12:00 Ana Herzog: banner drop this am

12:00 errcheck Hicks: pictures?

12:00 Ruby Glitter: So you are still there?

12:01 Ana Herzog: yep

12:01 Ruby Glitter: Cool.

12:01 Ruby Glitter: BTW, Drew just IM'ed me that he'd be about 5 minutes late today.

12:01 Ana Herzog: lobby work ---- and being pink and pinker

12:02 Ana Herzog: i'll be in and out i'm at the pink house and we're burning and downloading....

12:02 Ruby Glitter: OK.

12:02 Pila Mulligan: Ruby, is your ACORN affiliation with the RL ACORN organization?

12:03 Ruby Glitter: So soe topics I have for today are: follow-up on the protest machinima (Rik has a suggestion for how to extend/improve it, with our help), and the Edwards HQ.

12:03 Ruby Glitter: There is an ACORn group in SL. I htink it's pretty unofficial.

12:03 Ruby Glitter: Other topics for the meetup?

12:04 errcheck Hicks: This space

12:04 Ruby Glitter: Ah yes.

12:04 errcheck Hicks: planning events??

12:04 Ruby Glitter: Like organizing new events in the future?

12:04 errcheck Hicks: Yes

12:04 Ruby Glitter: Cool.

12:05 errcheck Hicks: I have some misc stuff i could report on

12:05 Ruby Glitter: Let's start with some more concrete topics and then see what we have time for.

12:05 errcheck Hicks: k by me

12:05 Ruby Glitter: It would laso be great to get a Code Pink update at some point.

12:06 Eucalypta Spijkers: hi all

12:06 Pila Mulligan: hi

12:06 errcheck Hicks: Hi Eucalypta

12:06 Ruby Glitter: Welcome, we're just getting going.

12:06 Ruby Glitter: Let's do a round of introductions.

12:06 Ruby Glitter: Folks please share some about your activism in SL and/or RL.

12:08 Ruby Glitter: Welcome, Drew!

12:08 Ruby Glitter: We're just doing introductions.

12:08 Drew Frobozz: hey folks! sorry I'm late.

12:08 errcheck Hicks: Eric Ahlberg, Venice California, setting up music and video here, checking out other organizations and spaces in SL, discussing strategy, cleaning up noob trash

12:08 Jaz Flossberg: Hi Rena

12:08 Rena Kuu: ???

12:09 Ruby Glitter: Welcoem back, Rena.

12:09 Ruby Glitter: We're sharing introductions

12:09 errcheck Hicks: Everyone can go at once on intros

12:09 Ruby Glitter: Yes. ;-)

12:09 Drew Frobozz: Andrew Hoppin, started RootsCamp w/ Ruby, also run Space CoLab island for NASA, and am organizing the YearlyKos Convention in Second Life.

12:09 Ruby Glitter: I'm Ruby Sinreich, local activist in Chapel Hill, NC, online advocacy consultant at work, and RootsCamp organizer in SL.

12:09 Drew Frobozz: San Francsico, CA

12:10 Ruby Glitter: Others please go ahead. Share as little or as much as you like.

12:10 Rena Kuu: ...

12:10 Rena Kuu: Damn ghetto chairs

12:10 Ruby Glitter: I don't see your hands moving...

12:11 Ruby Glitter: Jaz, Ecalypta, Ana, Anybody, Rena - can you please introduce yourselves?

12:11 Rena Kuu: This is stupid, and it's gonna make me go on a tirade of swear words ---being unable to sit evenly on a perfectly flat even surface

12:11 errcheck Hicks: Hi Rik

12:11 Ruby Glitter: Welcome Rik, we're doing inros.

12:11 Rik Riel: hi yalls

12:11 Jaz Flossberg: Well, let me say something about myself

12:11 Drew Frobozz: Hi Rik

12:12 Jaz Flossberg: I have a connection with the Wayne Township Democratic Party

12:12 Jaz Flossberg: Dupage County Illinois

12:12 Ruby Glitter: Ah, cool.

12:12 Jaz Flossberg: A traditional Repubilcan stronghold.

12:12 Eucalypta Spijkers: brb RL

12:13 Jaz Flossberg: My goal is to make sure there is opposition candidates for every elective position in DuPage County

12:13 errcheck Hicks: right on

12:13 Ruby Glitter: Rik, Rena, Anybody?

12:13 Rik Riel: sorry in an interview at the same time

12:13 Eucalypta Spijkers: back

12:13 Ruby Glitter: Oh, sorry. OK, we'll leave you alone. ;-)

12:14 Rena Kuu: I ain't got anything to say. I'm real young and inexperienced, this is basically just another way for me to wake myself up and be a part of something big. I've got a lot to learn at my age before I can become a major force of change in this world.

12:14 Eucalypta Spijkers: i am from the netherlands

12:14 Ana Herzog: i'm back

12:14 Ruby Glitter: We can skip the comprehensive intros, but I need to let you know that they are useful not just because you don't all know each other but also because we have been visited by right-wingers.

12:14 Ruby Glitter: I want to foster an environment of trust here...

12:15 Eucalypta Spijkers: i am working for the labour union

12:15 Ana Herzog: so i'm not alone

12:15 Ana Herzog: i've been imed and harassed by right wingers

12:16 Ruby Glitter: They haven't harrassed me yet, but they have joined our group and tried to attend our meetings.

12:16 Ruby Glitter: So, today's proposed topics: extended machinima version of the march, JRe in SL, this space, other updates as time allows.

12:16 errcheck Hicks: Solidad has been collecting information and doing backgrounds on some of the right wingers

12:16 Ruby Glitter: Is that order good? Other topics?

12:16 Ana Herzog: do they always use the same avatar names

12:17 Rena Kuu: I've got nothing to contribute. Is there a reason for me to be here?

12:17 Ruby Glitter: teh one who joined us is open about his SL identity.

12:17 Ruby Glitter: Rena, just solidarity if you want. You might hear about somethign cool you can work on. I won't be insulted if you leave, though.

12:17 Jaz Flossberg: Stick around Rena.

12:17 Rena Kuu: Jaz, why are you a female?

12:18 Jaz Flossberg: What!

12:18 Rik Riel: (sorry back)

12:18 Rena Kuu: You got the default chop shop female body on

12:18 Jaz Flossberg: omg

12:18 Drew Frobozz: Also re: agenda would be nice to recap all the recent SL Politics activity...

12:18 Ruby Glitter: OK, good Drew.

12:18 Ruby Glitter: Rena, perhaps you caould take that conversation to IM? or later?

12:19 Ruby Glitter: Whatev! ;-)

12:19 Ruby Glitter: Rik, is this a good time to talk about the machinima? We could do that wuickly and get it out of the way.

12:19 Rik Riel: sure thing. Should I distribute the notes I put together?

12:20 Ruby Glitter: yes, please.

12:20 Rik Riel: ok, will do right after this.

12:20 Ruby Glitter: OK.

12:20 Rik Riel: unless Ruby or Drew wants to do that

12:20 Rik Riel: while I describe the basic idea

12:20 Ruby Glitter: Basically folks, we discussed last week making a longer version of the excellent video Rik made of the protest. Something that talk more about why this matters, what the purpose is.

12:20 Ruby Glitter: Er, sorry. was already typing.

12:21 Ruby Glitter: I will share it while you talk.

12:21 Rik Riel: So I have done a basic timeline of what a 5 min video

12:21 Rik Riel: the idea is for several (4-8) residents to drop me a quote as an MP3 of why they think its important to engage politically using SL

12:22 Rik Riel: this will be spliced together with footage from the protest to show the value of thse kinds of virtual spaces for political engagement

12:22 errcheck Hicks accepted your inventory offer.

12:22 Drew Frobozz accepted your inventory offer.

12:22 Rik Riel: it will be punchy and fun

12:22 Eucalypta Spijkers accepted your inventory offer.

12:22 Anybody Acronym accepted your inventory offer.

12:22 Jaz Flossberg accepted your inventory offer.

12:22 Rik Riel: and ahve funky music

12:22 Rik Riel accepted your inventory offer.

12:22 Rik Riel: I'd like Ruby and Drew to sandwich the video with their own thoughts / perspectives

12:23 Pila Mulligan: sorry to disappear earlier -- big crash

12:23 Rik Riel: it will be a basic outreach tool for newbies

12:23 Rik Riel: my last video was VERY viral with 50,000+ views

12:23 Ruby Glitter: NP, Pila. We are discussing making a longer machinima about our protest.

12:23 Ruby Glitter: Amazing.

12:23 Pila Mulligan accepted your inventory offer.

12:24 Rik Riel: this will not likely be as successful

12:24 Drew Frobozz: how did you publicize it Rik?

12:24 Rik Riel: just spammed a lot of blogs and news sites

12:24 Drew Frobozz: 50,000 views from a website I presume... how about within SL? did you stream it here?

12:24 Rik Riel: nope

12:24 errcheck Hicks: and got wonkette and truthdig

12:25 Rik Riel: wonkette threw it over the top

12:25 Rik Riel: we won't be so lucky next time

12:25 Drew Frobozz: what was the topic for that one?

12:25 Ruby Glitter: probably not, but the new edit might appeal more to non SL residents.

12:25 Rik Riel: just a 2 min video of the protest

12:25 errcheck Hicks: great music

12:26 Rik Riel: yeah

12:26 Ruby Glitter: If you press the play button it will sho wup on the big screen here.

12:26 Rik Riel: also it will be good to have for RW media asking about us

12:26 Rik Riel: ah sweet

12:26 Ruby Glitter: Everybody please watch it now if you haven't seen it!

12:27 Eucalypta Spijkers: there is a lot of attention in the media in the netherlands for SL

12:27 Eucalypta Spijkers: but only for the sex and fun things

12:27 Rik Riel: Neat. I know there were those Dutch parliamentarians who visited the Amsterdam sim.

12:27 errcheck Hicks: that sim is so lagged

12:28 Rik Riel: so to make this happen I need volunteers to send me some quotes

12:28 Ruby Glitter: How about if I send a request

12:28 Ruby Glitter: er, sorry. isfire.

12:28 errcheck Hicks: yes

12:28 Ruby Glitter: misfire!

12:28 Jaz Flossberg: Could you talk a little more about what you want in the quote?

12:29 Ruby Glitter: So we can send a request to our group for peopel who were at the march to send you quotes via notecards.

12:29 Ruby Glitter: Would that be helpful?

12:29 Rik Riel: sure. Something along the lines of why you think SL is a good venue for political action / organizing.

12:29 Rik Riel: Ruby, fer sure.

12:29 Rik Riel: I'll write up the appeal and you can edit.

12:29 Ruby Glitter: Yes, I think we want peopel to talk about what the experience of participatig was like for them, WHY they participated, stuff like that.

12:30 Jaz Flossberg: ic

12:30 Ruby Glitter: Is everyone OK with doing this? It is a lot of extra work for Rik and I want to make sure we will all support it and help him however we can.

12:30 Rik Riel: and we would like to show that there are RW activists and concerned citizens who are coming together in SL

12:30 errcheck Hicks: I will send you mp3 rik, next week

12:30 Rik Riel: I.e. Joe Blow, labor organizer from Detroit, known as Joe Avatar in SL

12:30 Ruby Glitter: the point is to show that thi is also grassroots organizing and has the same effect, ie: bringing peopel together, empowering them by putting their voices together.

12:31 Drew Frobozz: I'm very psyched about it. It will, I have no doubt, spawn a lot of good new activism activity in-world.

12:31 Rik Riel: you can reveal as little or as much of your real name and place as you like

12:31 Rik Riel: ideally at least the town you live in

12:31 Rik Riel: Red States welcome!

12:31 Ruby Glitter: w00t, go NC! ;-)

12:32 Ruby Glitter: we're actually light pink, tho.

12:32 Ruby Glitter: anyway, we have a bunch of other good topics to get to, so let's wrap this one up. Any other questions, suggestions, or concerns?

12:32 Rik Riel: also they can't be too long, since I want to have them in print as well as in audio

12:32 errcheck Hicks: I could use the URL to Sara's article

12:33 Ruby Glitter: next steps: Rik will draft an appeal and I (or someone) will send it to the group.

12:33 Rik Riel: for people whose mother tongue isn't english

12:33 Ruby Glitter: I don't see any hand moving, so I'll that as a "no."

12:33 Rik Riel: thanks all

12:34 Eucalypta Spijkers: it could be usefull

12:34 Ruby Glitter: Thank YOU, Rik!

12:34 Ruby Glitter: Let's move on to recent political activiy in SL. Do you want to kick that off, Drew?

12:34 Drew Frobozz: fantastic Rik

12:34 Drew Frobozz: sure, though I'm sure I don't know about it all

12:34 Ruby Glitter: We'll all add bits. ;-)

12:35 Drew Frobozz: Jose Rote, who participated in our early RootsCamps right after the election, made a splash yesterday by launching an unofficial presence for John Edwards' Presidential campaign here yesterday

12:35 Drew Frobozz: it's unofficial, but also supported by the campaign.

12:35 Ruby Glitter: He says he is in touch with the campign, so I'm calling it "semi-official" ;-)

12:35 Rik Riel: and he's already been lambasted by wonkette

12:35 Ruby Glitter: yes.

12:35 Drew Frobozz: not financially, but they're supportive, I mean

12:35 Ana Herzog: isn't everything here unofficial

12:36 Rik Riel: Gov Warner was official

12:36 Drew Frobozz: well, the Mark Warner event was paid for by his PAC

12:36 Drew Frobozz: y

12:36 Drew Frobozz: There are 17 people in an Obama group now

12:36 Drew Frobozz: not too impressive but I'm sure we'll see something major there soon

12:37 Drew Frobozz: and Trellonistas are building an unofficial Wes Clark info and meetup booth across this island here in anticipation of him announcing he's running

12:37 Drew Frobozz: go check it out after the meeting

12:37 errcheck Hicks: In Kenzo and Riversong Garden did a series of art and social issue events and exhibits on some NMC islands, Camp Darfur, CARE, and others, this week

12:38 Ruby Glitter: Hang on, errcheck. Let's finish the candidates first.

12:38 Drew Frobozz: meanwhile, the YearlyKos convention in SL is coming along fantastically behind the scenes. Much much more on that in the coming weeks. Hope to have all the Presidential candidates in-world there "live" from the convention in August.

12:38 Drew Frobozz: by then my guess is they'll all have a significant presence of their own in-world, and active volunteer groups numbering in the 100s of avatars each.

12:38 Ruby Glitter: How will the RL participants see/experience the SL part?

12:39 Drew Frobozz: can't wait to see avatars face-off with signs at joint events, RL debates streaming in-world, etc.

12:39 Drew Frobozz: for YKSL?

12:40 Ruby Glitter: I am not convinced that all the candidates will have presences here in this cycle. but it will be interesting...

12:40 Ruby Glitter: yes.

12:40 Drew Frobozz: there will be multiple modes-- SL-only panels streamed to Chicago, Chicago keynote speeches streamed into SL, and mixed reality panels with content going both ways.

12:40 Ruby Glitter: neat.

12:40 Drew Frobozz: I'm not certain either Ruby... but I think it's v. possible.

12:40 Ana Herzog: there is no one way communication

12:40 Ruby Glitter: OK, other stuff?

12:41 Ruby Glitter: errcheck, talk about the NMC events.

12:41 errcheck Hicks: The SLLU, had a splinter into SLLA, and both have continued to protest the National Front of France. All French Presidential candidates have offices here, election in about 9 weeks.

12:41 Ruby Glitter: Wow.

12:41 errcheck Hicks: i dont wann have to retype that

12:41 Ruby Glitter: France in the hizouse!

12:41 Rik Riel: its fucking unbelievable over there

12:42 Ruby Glitter: re NMC, errcheck said "In Kenzo and Riversong Garden did a series of art and social issue events and exhibits on some NMC islands, Camp Darfur, CARE, and others, this week"

12:42 Ruby Glitter: I attended one of their events. I had sort of mixed impressions.

12:42 errcheck Hicks: OK NMC events were interesting, but perhaps no so concrete in organizing

12:42 Rik Riel: oooo dish!

12:42 Ruby Glitter: They had thids long talk which ended with a request peopel to write ideas on notecards and put them somewhere on Better World island.

12:42 Ruby Glitter: I just wasn't sure what the point was.

12:42 Ruby Glitter: And it didn't seem connected ot anything else.

12:43 Rik Riel: hmmm that doesn't sound like In Kenzo

12:43 Ruby Glitter: Also they were wearing shirts that said "humanity before politics".

12:43 errcheck Hicks: There are many symbolic acts/ceremonies here and I am OK with that

12:44 Ruby Glitter: True,

12:44 Ana Herzog: why peeve?

12:44 Ana Herzog: this is iconicity city

12:44 Ruby Glitter: because I think sometimes think politics is some entity in a vacuum when in fact, it's how governments act collectively to solve communal problems.

12:44 errcheck Hicks: Even the SLLU is struggleing with defining it's political platform and what effective actions can be mad in SL

12:44 Ana Herzog: it is one of the ways

12:45 Ruby Glitter: politics isn't bad. it's a vehicle.

12:45 Ana Herzog: not the only way

12:45 Ruby Glitter: certainly not the only way.

12:45 Rik Riel: BTW IN Kenzo's video on darfur is the shiznit: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1156309363278144913&hl=en

12:45 Ruby Glitter: but stuf fliek that slogan may turn peopel away from engagement in their government, and those are just the peopel i want to BE engaged.

12:45 errcheck Hicks: I have ultimate respect for In

12:45 Ruby Glitter: Cool.

12:46 Ruby Glitter: I don't want to be all negative. tyey are doign great stuff!

12:46 Ruby Glitter: I just didn't know what to think about the event.

12:46 errcheck Hicks: It seemed to head toward brainstorming

12:47 Drew Frobozz: Interesting that we're now seeing a distinction between "doing stuff" and doing stuff really effectively in SL.

12:47 Drew Frobozz: wonder if that's going to show up in objective metrics

12:47 Drew Frobozz: group size, attendance at follow-up events

12:47 Drew Frobozz: RW media hits generated, etc.

12:47 Ana Herzog: if you anal in rl you will be anal in sl

12:48 Ruby Glitter: hmm. ;-)

12:48 errcheck Hicks: I see this placde as one big movie set and photo op

12:48 errcheck Hicks: place

12:48 Eucalypta Spijkers: do you want people from other countrys to join , or is it mostly a US matter ?

12:48 errcheck Hicks: I am very internationalist

12:48 Ruby Glitter: Both, Eucalypta.

12:49 Drew Frobozz: global please! :)

12:49 Drew Frobozz: we're need non-US people involved in US politics in my opinion, and vice-versa

12:49 Ruby Glitter: Some advocacy is focusedon teh US, but we get a lot out of workign globally too.

12:49 Pila Mulligan: fine

12:49 Pila Mulligan: thanks

12:49 Pila Mulligan: oops, 'ecuse

12:49 Drew Frobozz: and personally I'm extremely interested in the work of international advocacy groups.

12:49 errcheck Hicks: I have already learned that we can make a difference on international issues with the antifn stuff

12:49 errcheck Hicks: And many social issues groups focus is international

12:50 errcheck Hicks: There was an World Stock exchange meeting this week, with anti-WTO protesters, but the meeting was too boring and lame to protest much

12:51 Ruby Glitter: Hmm.

12:51 Ruby Glitter: Other recent activism, advocacy, or organzing in SL?

12:51 Ana Herzog: who was doing the meeting?

12:51 Ana Herzog: those guys aren't in sl are they?

12:51 errcheck Hicks: WSE is an SL stock exchange

12:51 Ana Herzog: lol

12:51 Ruby Glitter: Oh.

12:52 Ruby Glitter: I hadn't heard of it.

12:52 Eucalypta Spijkers: i heard of it

12:52 errcheck Hicks: Their speaker started by apologising for a broken trading system

12:52 errcheck Hicks: and then recited the credentials of those assigned to fix it

12:52 errcheck Hicks: I thought it must be a spoof

12:52 Ana Herzog: lmao

12:53 Rik Riel: There's an academic conference coming up on Feb 24

12:53 Rik Riel: "beyond broadcast" looking at civil society, politics in the YouTube era

12:53 Ana Herzog: what is it

12:53 Rik Riel: There's a Second Life component to it as well

12:53 Rik Riel: www.beyondbroadcast.net

12:53 Ruby Glitter: I met the guys organizing Beyond Broadcast.

12:53 Ana Herzog: is anyone allowed in to the sl audience?

12:53 Ruby Glitter: What are they doing with SL?

12:54 Rik Riel: yes its public

12:54 errcheck Hicks: I went to an Iraq war discussion at umm, where is that landmark

12:54 Rik Riel: webcasting the event, holding in-world workshops

12:54 Rik Riel: berkman island

12:54 Ruby Glitter: Ah, cool.

12:54 Ruby Glitter: Send us info if you have any.

12:54 Rik Riel: I'll likely be there, either in person or in avatar

12:56 Ruby Glitter: OK, we onn;y have 5 minutes left.

12:56 Ruby Glitter: er, onLy

12:56 Ruby Glitter: We wantt o talk more in-depth about how to use this space sometime. We coudl brainstorm right now, or just save it for later.

12:56 Eucalypta Spijkers: there is a SL news paper you could write in it?

12:57 errcheck Hicks: I want to set up a wall, opposite us here, which will contain links to progressive RL orgs, and our members disgression

12:57 Rik Riel: whats the deal wit hprim limits now?

12:57 Ana Herzog: I love the random info element here

12:57 Ruby Glitter: Good question. I have hit the limit when trying to make stuff here before.

12:57 errcheck Hicks: 83/117 on this lot

12:57 Ruby Glitter: Drew?

12:58 Ruby Glitter: What does that mean, errcheck?

12:58 Rik Riel: it means were almost maxed out?

12:58 Ana Herzog: how many parcels are there

12:58 errcheck Hicks: we can't add much on this lot, but that can be OK

12:58 Drew Frobozz: if we're up against any constraints that we really need to push through, let me know and I'll try to get it done, but I'm not really in favor of clutter anyway

12:58 errcheck Hicks: I think leaving that much headroom is goo

12:58 errcheck Hicks: good

12:59 Ana Herzog: minimalistic

12:59 Ana Herzog: gotta run

12:59 Drew Frobozz: I have to go run another meeting, but do IM me with any issues along these lines.

12:59 errcheck Hicks: I have the property hooked up with the video and music now

12:59 Drew Frobozz: also, can someone post the transcript of today to RootsCampSL.org?

12:59 Ana Herzog: will be back for real soon.....

13:00 Ruby Glitter: I'll post the transcript.

13:00 Ruby Glitter: I've been keeping up with them.

13:00 Drew Frobozz: thanks! :)

13:00 Ruby Glitter: I think.

13:00 Drew Frobozz: bye all!

13:00 Ruby Glitter: Oh, it looks liek I am a week behind. http://rootscamp.pbwiki.com/RootsCampSLminutes

13:00 Eucalypta Spijkers: bye

13:00 Jaz Flossberg: Bye Drew

13:00 Rik Riel: bye drew

13:01 Ruby Glitter: OK, thanks for coming everyone.

13:01 Rik Riel: thanks ruby

13:01 Rik Riel: will get you a notecard when I can

13:01 Jaz Flossberg: Thnx Ruby, Bye everyone

13:01 errcheck Hicks: I want to start some live events here, but slowly at first until I get the technical stuff worked out, and probably starting with speakers

13:01 Ruby Glitter: Great.

13:01 Ana Herzog: thanks.

13:01 Ana Herzog: did i misss anything we are supposed to do?

13:01 Rik Riel: start thinking of a quote to record and send to me!

13:02 Ana Herzog: on what?

13:02 Rik Riel: on SL as a platform for political change

13:02 Rik Riel: ruby will send out a notecard on it

13:03 Ana Herzog: cool

13:03 Rik Riel: btw I don't want to get anyone's hopes up

13:04 Rik Riel: this will not be as good as the stuff that In Kenzo or Ill Clan does

13:04 Rik Riel: or Moo

13:04 Ruby Glitter: I'm sure it will be great.

13:04 Ruby Glitter: Look how successful your last one was!

13:04 Pila Mulligan: sorry to be only half here for a while (phone call)

13:04 Rik Riel: gotta roll

13:05 Ruby Glitter: That's OK. I also need to run.

13:05 Ruby Glitter: I'll stay in world while I post the notes, etc.

13:05 errcheck Hicks: Another RWer to look out for is Lotus Brooks

13:06 errcheck Hicks: Ana, do you have the names of your harassers