11:57 errcheck Hicks: Hi Dres

11:57 errcheck Hicks: Drew

11:57 errcheck Hicks: No word from Ruby Today?

11:57 errcheck Hicks: She online!

11:58 Drew Frobozz: hi errcheck!

11:58 Drew Frobozz: she's out today

11:58 You decline RootsCampSL Dedicated Parcel, Progressive Island (190, 46, 26) from A group member named Drew Frobozz.

11:58 Nobody Fugazi is Offline

11:58 errcheck Hicks: Did you see the LATIMES article about SL today?

11:59 Alan Innis: No.

11:59 Drew Frobozz: no-- what did it say?

11:59 Alan Innis: Hi folks.

11:59 errcheck Hicks: http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/front/la-fi-second22feb22,1,5215557.story?coll=la-headlines-frontpage

11:59 Drew Frobozz: hi Alan

11:59 Alan Innis: Hi errcheck.

12:00 Drew Frobozz: Hi Effulgent!

12:00 errcheck Hicks: It is about activism and mentions the SLLA

12:00 Effulgent Brown: hiya drew

12:00 Effulgent Brown: hey yall

12:00 Effulgent Brown: :)

12:00 You decline RootsCampSL Dedicated Parcel, Progressive Island (190, 46, 26) from A group member named Drew Frobozz.

12:01 errcheck Hicks: I was interested to see that John Gage of Sun was behind the Capitol here in SL

12:01 Alan Innis: I'm going to go check out the LA Times article.

12:01 Effulgent Brown: Welcome angela

12:01 Angela Ge: thank you Ms, Brown

12:01 Angela Ge smiles

12:01 Effulgent Brown: hehehe

12:01 You decline RootsCampSL Dedicated Parcel, Progressive Island (190, 46, 26) from A group member named Drew Frobozz.

12:01 Moose Maine is Offline

12:01 Angela Ge: whats the early kos convention?

12:02 Drew Frobozz: www.yearlykosconvention.org for background

12:02 Effulgent Brown: ooh the island has streets!

12:02 Alan Innis: Back

12:02 Angela Ge: merci!

12:02 Drew Frobozz: it's the annual offline gathering of the dailykos community

12:02 errcheck Hicks: http://www.secondlifeherald.com/slh/2007/02/sl_capitol_hill.html

12:02 Angela Ge: famulasit

12:02 Drew Frobozz: which is the largest progressive blog community in the USA

12:02 Drew Frobozz: with about ~500,000 active bloggers

12:02 Drew Frobozz: I hink

12:02 Drew Frobozz: I think

12:02 Pila Mulligan: hi

12:02 Drew Frobozz: Hi Pila

12:02 Effulgent Brown: hiya

12:03 Drew Frobozz: anyway last year was the first year of the convention-- which was all volunteer driven but very large and professional

12:03 Angela Ge: interesting and good to know

12:03 Drew Frobozz: and this year all of the Democratic Presidential candidates plan to attend and speak

12:03 Drew Frobozz: in Chicago in Augus

12:03 Drew Frobozz: August

12:03 Drew Frobozz: and in Second Life! ;)

12:04 Effulgent Brown: oh they are having the rl one in chicago? thats cool

12:04 Effulgent Brown: hehehe

12:04 Alan Innis: Are ALL the Presidential candidates coming to SL?

12:04 Drew Frobozz: well, they're all coming to Chicago-- and our intention is to get them all into SL from there

12:04 Drew Frobozz: certainly the keynote speeches will be streamed here from Chicago-- but we hope to have avatars here for all of them too

12:05 errcheck Hicks: At the Capitol?

12:05 Effulgent Brown: that would be good, we are the demographic they are intrested in

12:05 Laslopantomik Yao: hello...

12:05 Drew Frobozz: no at the YearlyKos Convention, which will be 4-8 Sims

12:05 Effulgent Brown: hiya take a seat

12:05 Effulgent Brown: oh wow

12:05 errcheck Hicks: I mean in SL

12:05 Drew Frobozz: Hi Laslopantomik

12:06 Laslopantomik Yao: hi, always on the fight..

12:06 Effulgent Brown: are they planning to use that mirroring thing?

12:06 Alan Innis: Just curious - am I the only Canadian here? (I am also quite interested in US politics.)

12:06 Drew Frobozz: yes I think so

12:06 Effulgent Brown: yeah

12:06 Effulgent Brown: there will be more though

12:06 Laslopantomik Yao: spain

12:06 Drew Frobozz: I'm staying clear of the technical architecture decisions

12:07 Alan Innis: Hi Laslopantomik.

12:07 Effulgent Brown: there are always lots of people from many places

12:07 Angela Ge: well am not american or from the us. but am interested in people who work towards change, and use tech to do so.. greetings from sunny bahrain

12:07 Angela Ge grins

12:07 Laslopantomik Yao: call me las

12:07 Effulgent Brown: heheheh greetings from chilly chicago

12:07 Effulgent Brown: heheh

12:07 Angela Ge smiles

12:07 Angela Ge: heh!

12:07 Pila Mulligan: lot of people in Hawaii are not sure it is really part of the US, for that matter :)

12:08 Effulgent Brown: lol

12:08 Effulgent Brown: i think last time someone discussed creating a hub

12:08 Effulgent Brown: like something where people could easily get progressive landmarks

12:08 Alan Innis: great idea

12:08 Effulgent Brown: how has that been going

12:09 Alan Innis: It took me a while to find this place.

12:09 Effulgent Brown: i was a little swamped but i think it would be really nice

12:09 Effulgent Brown: a kiosk kinda thing

12:09 Drew Frobozz: great idea

12:09 Drew Frobozz: and that kiosk could be placed in many places, right?

12:10 Effulgent Brown: yeah

12:10 Drew Frobozz: on all the Progressive islands?

12:10 Effulgent Brown: yeah

12:10 Drew Frobozz: I'd also be very much up for creating a Progressive Archipelago of related islands

12:10 Effulgent Brown: just like a little board with lots of little landmarks that you get when you touch

12:10 Drew Frobozz: even though it costs $150 to move

12:10 Drew Frobozz: the SciLand archipelago is going well

12:10 Effulgent Brown: gosh

12:10 Drew Frobozz: SciLands*

12:11 errcheck Hicks: I bought a kiosk system

12:11 Effulgent Brown: theres a system, hehehe

12:11 errcheck Hicks: And I have a list of Progressive Landmarks that may need revision

12:11 Effulgent Brown: im still kinda new at that stuff

12:11 errcheck Hicks: The system was build by Sasun Steinbeck, for the Art Galleries of SL

12:12 Effulgent Brown: its still early today ill work on a little thing ill bring it here and make it so the group can use it

12:12 Effulgent Brown: and alter it and stuff

12:12 Effulgent Brown: i know of this place

12:12 errcheck Hicks: But I have also been setting prims with URL loaders onto that wall opposite us

12:12 Effulgent Brown: and concious lounge

12:12 Effulgent Brown: and oyster but thats it

12:13 Effulgent Brown: ooh cool

12:13 Drew Frobozz: great

12:13 Effulgent Brown: are spaces on this island going up for rent?

12:13 errcheck Hicks: I'd love to work on that more with u Effulgent

12:14 Effulgent Brown: yeah, ive been thinking about how to set it up

12:14 Drew Frobozz: spaces here are available but mostly we give them away to groups that can do their own builds

12:14 Effulgent Brown: ive kinda had primblock

12:14 Effulgent Brown: lol

12:14 Greyark Hightower is Online

12:14 errcheck Hicks: I think the scripting for a kiosk is ver advanced

12:14 Drew Frobozz: and Trellon will charge groups consulting fees if they need a build done.

12:14 Drew Frobozz: so it will be a mix

12:14 Effulgent Brown: yeah, scripting is where i hit a wall

12:14 Drew Frobozz: RootsCamp, YearlyKos registration booth, and Model UN are all donated spaces

12:15 Drew Frobozz: we ought to be able to find some volunteers from the RootsCampSL list I'd think

12:15 Effulgent Brown: yeah

12:15 Alan Innis: Can I get on the RootsCampSL list Drew?

12:15 Effulgent Brown: what needs to be built

12:16 Effulgent Brown: are they doing like wide open spaces, or some cityscape

12:16 Effulgent Brown: hehehe a mock chicago would be cool

12:16 Drew Frobozz: Alan-- of course-- open to anyone. Just go to "groups" under the "edit" menu

12:16 Drew Frobozz: and search for "rootscampsl"

12:16 Drew Frobozz: and click "join"

12:16 Drew Frobozz: Effulgent-- for YearlyKos?

12:16 Alan Innis: Done. Thanks Drew.

12:16 Effulgent Brown: yeah, lol im sorta thinking outloud

12:16 Effulgent Brown: i wonder where they are holding it

12:16 Drew Frobozz: We have a volunteer team of professional biulders to do the basic stuff-- rooms for sessions, etc.

12:17 Effulgent Brown: oh thats better

12:17 Drew Frobozz: but there will be a lot of opportunity to add on nice "extras" to decorate, etc.

12:17 Effulgent Brown: id still love to see what they are cooking up

12:17 Effulgent Brown: hehehe

12:17 Greyark Hightower is Offline

12:17 Drew Frobozz: and "side" events like, perhaps, a major RootsCamp here and in Chicago before the YearlyKos convention starts...

12:18 Alan Innis: I manage a progressive web service: Peace, Earth & Justice News at PEJ.org - any way to put an RSS stream into this island?

12:18 errcheck Hicks: There are GreenPeace and ACLU and a few other organizations in Commonwealth island, maybe they be here too????

12:18 Drew Frobozz: Effulgent, it'd be great to get you involved.

12:18 Drew Frobozz: yes you can get RSS in here

12:18 Angela Ge: there's rss readers if that's what you mean

12:18 Angela Ge: there rss on a prim too but that uses textures..

12:18 Effulgent Brown: yeah, i cant go to a lot of these things in rl so here is good

12:18 errcheck Hicks: There are RSS streamers but I have had some trouble getting them to take my selected feeds

12:18 Alan Innis: I know nothing about how to do things here though. Very new. Where could I pick up an RSS feeder for here?

12:19 Effulgent Brown: yeah i had one reader i cant change the site it goes to

12:19 Angela Ge: well i have a few open source ones, or you could just purchase one i guess..

12:19 errcheck Hicks: I gonna rez some

12:19 Drew Frobozz: how about if we start a wiki page for ProgressiveLands-- and push the idea of putting progressive islands and groups together in SL?

12:19 Effulgent Brown: yeah that would be good

12:19 Drew Frobozz: either geographically together, or at least linked via kiosks, teleport hubs, etc

12:19 Alan Innis: open source sounds good Angela. How would I check that out?

12:19 Effulgent Brown: people need to know who is here and where

12:19 Alan Innis: Yes!

12:20 Vizda Galbraith: hiya

12:20 Alan Innis: Thanks Angela!

12:21 Pila Mulligan: hi

12:21 Effulgent Brown: Welcome :)

12:21 Alan Innis: Hi Vizda.

12:21 Angela Ge smiles, "my pleasure".

12:21 Vizda Galbraith: thanks!

12:21 Angela Ge: IM me in a few hours and ill get you a better version on lamp...

12:22 Vizda Galbraith: is SLT the same as PST?

12:22 Effulgent Brown: yeah

12:22 RSS Reader 1.0 whispers: Requesting feed.

12:22 RSS Reader 1.0 whispers: Parsing feed.

12:22 RSS Reader 1.0 whispers: Done!

12:23 Effulgent Brown: cool

12:23 Alan Innis: Far ouit.

12:23 Angela Ge grins

12:23 Alan Innis: out

12:23 Angela Ge: that was a commercial version i think....

12:23 Vizda Galbraith: yeah that rss thing is nifty

12:23 Angela Ge: there's the source code to it somewhere on my inbox, will send it to whoever's interested

12:23 Angela Ge: :P

12:23 Effulgent Brown: that would help a lot

12:23 Alan Innis: Interested!

12:23 Effulgent Brown: hehehe

12:23 Angela Ge grins

12:24 Effulgent Brown: it works pretty fast too

12:24 Drew Frobozz: ok I created http://progressivelands.pbwiki.com/

12:25 Drew Frobozz: do post lists of progressive groups and islands and ideas for linking them there

12:25 Angela Ge: is that a freee wiki on pbwiki?

12:25 Effulgent Brown: wow that was quick

12:25 Alan Innis: amazing group you are

12:25 Angela Ge smiles

12:25 Drew Frobozz: yes free

12:25 Angela Ge: nice!

12:26 Angela Ge: does roots cam have a webprescence?

12:26 Angela Ge: camp*

12:26 Effulgent Brown: yeah

12:26 Drew Frobozz: yes rootscampsl.org

12:26 Angela Ge: so why not: wiki.rootscampsl.org?

12:26 Angela Ge: and serve up mediawiki..

12:26 Angela Ge: i'd be glad to help work it out..

12:26 Drew Frobozz: could do, though this idea is bigger than RootsCamp so I figured a broader wiki to which we could invite people working on all other progressive islands would be good

12:26 Drew Frobozz: but I could see it working either way

12:27 Drew Frobozz: the current rootscampsl.org

12:27 Drew Frobozz: is actually part of rootscamp.org

12:27 Angela Ge: oh alright.

12:27 Drew Frobozz: which includes the offline rootscamps

12:27 Angela Ge: well doesn't the offline rootscamp have a wiki yet?

12:27 Angela Ge winders..

12:27 Angela Ge: wonders*

12:27 Drew Frobozz: and they've had people sabotaging that wiki so password access is limited

12:28 Vizda Galbraith: :(

12:28 Drew Frobozz: so a new separate wiki-- whether mediawiki on rootscampsl.org-- or progressivelands.pbwiki.com-- would be helpful

12:28 Jet Burns is Online

12:28 Angela Ge: well have alongside something known as an anti-spam filter for mediawiki, worked on it during post katrina for katrainhelp.info

12:28 Effulgent Brown: yeah the other one is wide open

12:28 Angela Ge: happy to send it your way if needed.

12:28 Vizda Galbraith: it seems like politically related threats of violence are way up recently. on both sides, unfortunately

12:29 Greyark Hightower is Online

12:29 Effulgent Brown: yeah in sl, its sorta spiked

12:29 Drew Frobozz: I think it's a great idea to launch a mediawiki for rootscampsl.org Angela

12:29 Drew Frobozz: would you know how to move content from the existing rootscampsl.org though? (which is actually http://rootscamp.pbwiki.com/RootsCampSL)

12:29 Angela Ge: just throwing a random question here.. if it cost just 23.50 usd for a fully fledged server of 200gigs space and 2 tb bandwidth a month complete with all the bells and whistles, do you think non profits and outfits on progressive islands would go for it? yes linux boxes. *smiles* thats 22.50 a year ..

12:30 Angela Ge: can migrate data, sure thing

12:30 Angela Ge smiles

12:30 Drew Frobozz: to go for "it"? what is "it"?

12:30 Angela Ge: hosting that is..

12:30 Drew Frobozz: in other words, what is the server serving up?

12:30 Effulgent Brown: oh

12:31 Effulgent Brown: probably, that isnt bad

12:31 errcheck Hicks: That's not bad, but more expensive thatn free

12:31 Angela Ge: server serving up?

12:31 Laslopantomik Yao: sorry friends, i think i will help you more talking about you, this overpasss my habitilies, i am here to help on but more in philosophy, but i will wait for your moves.. go on with the fight...

12:31 Drew Frobozz: hey Laslo-- before you go-

12:31 Laslopantomik Yao: thank you all,

12:31 Angela Ge: well.... would a group actually use 300gb?

12:31 Effulgent Brown: :)

12:32 Drew Frobozz: I'm really interested in what groups outside the US are doing good poltical work in SL

12:32 Drew Frobozz: so do come back some time and tell us! :)

12:32 Angela Ge: i was having this idea of renting a server for the cost and loaning out 3 gigs of space to each group. for zilch..

12:32 Effulgent Brown: yeah

12:32 Laslopantomik Yao: ok

12:32 Angela Ge: non profit groups that is..

12:32 Drew Frobozz: thanks

12:32 errcheck Hicks: It is video, music and pictures that use up space, But I put it all on flickr and Youtube...and just link

12:32 Effulgent Brown: the AFN is reaaly active here

12:32 Angela Ge: randowm question, sorry.

12:33 Angela Ge: what or who are the afn?

12:33 Angela Ge: padon my ignorance, please.

12:33 Drew Frobozz: Angela, I don't think hosting is the challenge for progressive groups-- it's more the tools and the interface for online organizing

12:33 Vizda Galbraith: brb switching to laptop w/ better 3d

12:33 Vizda Galbraith: strong agree drew

12:33 Vizda Galbraith: bye

12:33 Effulgent Brown: the french group Front National which is right wing set up here

12:33 Drew Frobozz: they need CRM, CMS, wikis, email tools,e tc.

12:33 Effulgent Brown: and a french group started

12:33 Drew Frobozz: but hosting is cheap

12:33 Effulgent Brown: anti FN to oppose them

12:33 Angela Ge: so they need someone who can train them to use these tools.. a IS person

12:34 Angela Ge: or maybe an IS person..

12:34 Drew Frobozz: development and maintenance-- and yes-- training-- is expensive

12:34 Angela Ge: what if that training came at no cost?

12:34 Angela Ge winks

12:34 Drew Frobozz: that would be great

12:34 Drew Frobozz: but what toolset are you proposing for them to use?

12:35 Drew Frobozz: or what platform for CMS, CRM, etc.

12:35 Effulgent Brown: bbl mom is bouncin off the walls

12:35 errcheck Hicks: I can certainly help the antifn if they need training, but I suggest the easy to use, free, and all set up things like blotspot and pbwiki

12:36 errcheck Hicks: blogspot

12:36 Angela Ge: volunteerism.. ie.. using unvolunteers or rather onlinevolunteers.org and idealist.org to empower a mediawiki+joomla/drupal/plone/civicrm + a range of other os tools i know has active support and outreach

12:37 Alan Innis: Sorry about that folks. My computer crashed and now I have to go to a rl meeting!

12:37 Drew Frobozz: I do think, Angela, that a community of volunteers dedicated to helping progressive groups launch a good online presence, would be extremely valluable

12:37 Angela Ge: pb wiki is sweet, i've seen and used www.wiki-site.com which is a mediawiki install for freely hosted wikis without any limitations... one after a week of activation has access to modding the look as well.

12:37 Angela Ge: take care Alan, nice meeting you, talk to you in a few hours.

12:37 Alan Innis: If anyone has a record of our conversation here today I would really appreciate it info@pej.ca. Thank you! Gotta run.

12:37 Drew Frobozz: most organizations need a big budget because most experienced online community developers are paid consultants

12:38 Drew Frobozz: is everyone ok with chatlogging? say "yes"

12:38 errcheck Hicks: I find if I just sit here in rootscamp, someone whill show up looking for us

12:38 Angela Ge: aye goes well

12:38 errcheck Hicks: yes

12:38 Pila Mulligan: yes

12:39 Drew Frobozz: So Angela, I do think that helping people launch a pbwiki+wordpress (both free) + constant contact (low cost) and giving them training would enable a lot of smaller organizations that can't afford EchoDitto, Advomatic, Trellon, One/Northwest, CivicActions etc. consultants the chance to begin doing good online work

12:40 Angela Ge agrees

12:40 Drew Frobozz: another good option is CivicSpace-On-Demand at $50/month for everything, when paired with an "expert" that can help configure it and provide training

12:40 Drew Frobozz: I could see a "Habitat for Humanity" type of group doing online "barnraisings" for progressive groups

12:40 Drew Frobozz: as volunteers

12:40 Angela Ge: im all for the civi sys, the folks there are ever so helpful and David and Jon totally do integration and hookups with other tools.

12:41 Drew Frobozz: Democracy In Action is a good toolset too, but fairly expensive now

12:41 Angela Ge: isn't democracy in action open source?

12:41 Angela Ge: there initial beta was os.. i think.. there was a mailer sent around about it last year..

12:41 Drew Frobozz: sort of-- no one has ever done development on top of it to my knowledge other than the DIA team themselves

12:42 Drew Frobozz: and what they sell really is a hosted solution

12:42 Drew Frobozz: with bulk email delivery, etc.

12:42 Angela Ge: true

12:42 Drew Frobozz: I think it'd be quite hard to use it on your own server

12:42 Angela Ge: but am pretty sure that solution could be extended to folks hosting it themselves.

12:42 Drew Frobozz: and that you'd be better off with CiviCRM plus Drupal or Joomla

12:43 Drew Frobozz: talk to them about it-- would be great

12:43 Drew Frobozz: but I've never seen it done

12:43 Drew Frobozz: and without a community to support that, it might be risky

12:43 Angela Ge: will look into it Drew, thanks for the heads up there.

12:43 Pila Mulligan: must go, folks -- interesting for an old guy to watch techno-activists (the part that is understandable, at least)

12:43 Drew Frobozz: :) thanks Pila

12:43 Angela Ge: hello Ms. Herzog

12:43 Pila Mulligan: bye -- good luck

12:43 Angela Ge: take care Pila

12:43 Ana Herzog: hey

12:44 errcheck Hicks: Hi Ana

12:44 Ana Herzog: hey

12:44 Drew Frobozz: regardless, Angela, my guess is that David Geilufe from CivicSpace would be thrilled to support a community of "barnraiser" volunteers helping progressive organizations launch Drupal+CiviCRM through CivicSpace-On-Demand and providing training

12:45 Drew Frobozz: and that it'd be really really easy to fundraise to pay the $50/month fees

12:45 Angela Ge: maybe could talk to david and get him to lower it to 50 a year based on an org's needs.

12:45 Drew Frobozz: *IF* we could credibly say "you donate the hosting fees and these organizations WILL get a good web presence and good support"

12:46 Drew Frobozz: perhaps. I know they're shaving costs really tight already though

12:46 Drew Frobozz: providing bulkl email support and donations support in addition to Drupal hosting is non-trivial

12:46 Drew Frobozz: but sliding scale pricing might be possible

12:47 Angela Ge: will churn a good way to apprach the folks at Internet2 at UMich for outreach, they are into sl from what i've seen... just unsure how to help..

12:47 Angela Ge: approach*

12:47 Drew Frobozz: cool-- definitely a similar opportunity exists for progressive volunteers to help groups launch into Second Life for free or cheap

12:47 Drew Frobozz: because at the moment it costs way too much for most groups to consider it

12:47 Angela Ge: i understand

12:48 Rik Riel is Online

12:48 Angela Ge: but 22.50 is like what someone's coffee bill would be like per month, yes?

12:48 Jimbo Hoyer is Online

12:48 Drew Frobozz: I love the idea of a volunteer barnraiser community for all this stuff-- and like Habitat for Humanity, donate a weeekend of your time and a group is empowered for an entire year

12:48 Drew Frobozz: yes it is

12:48 errcheck Hicks: im up for that

12:48 Drew Frobozz: but the cost isn't in the hosting.

12:48 Angela Ge: and especially if that means setting an org up on their own suite of os tools for a year.. then.. it seems the way to go to me..

12:48 Angela Ge: what if the tools and support came with the hosting?

12:49 Angela Ge: of course the effort could tap into online volunteerism in terms of dev work.

12:49 Drew Frobozz: the $50/month for CivicSpace isn't the impediment-- it's the fact that you need to know what you're doing to configure it well and to learn how to use it well-- so you still need to hire a consultant

12:49 Drew Frobozz: or get lucky and find a generous and savvy volunteer

12:49 errcheck Hicks: administration and content development is tho most work

12:49 Angela Ge: i agree errcheck

12:49 Drew Frobozz: if the tools and support came with it, that'd be fantastic

12:50 Angela Ge: i guess it would be nice sometime to define a set of tools...

12:50 Boliver Oddfellow is Online

12:50 Drew Frobozz: the launch and training phase is the most intense, and then there is ongoing maintenance and community management work.

12:51 Drew Frobozz: well CivicSpace on Demand, Soapbox from PICNet, and Democracy In Action all give good examples of what many groups want

12:51 Angela Ge: sure.

12:51 Drew Frobozz: though I think the WordPress+PBWiki+30Boxes(calendar)+Constant Contact kind of thing would be interesting as well and isn't too well explored

12:51 Angela Ge: sorry for flooring with my take.... im sure you folks has an agenda in mind?

12:52 Drew Frobozz: no it was an open agenda today

12:52 Paradox Olbers is Online

12:52 Angela Ge: the edu version of this would be interesting as well: http://google.com/a

12:52 Jimbo Hoyer: hey drew

12:52 Drew Frobozz: I have to go soon but I'll create a page on this topic on the wiki to continue the conversation and to refine some of the ideas

12:52 errcheck Hicks: Hi Jimbo

12:52 Drew Frobozz: hey Jimbo

12:53 errcheck Hicks: I want to propose a at least weekly anti Iran War Demo at the Capitol SL!

12:53 Dragonfire Kelly is Online

12:53 Angela Ge: there's an Iran war now?

12:53 Angela Ge: stranger, never heard of shellings outhere.

12:53 Jimbo Hoyer: There has been for a while.

12:53 errcheck Hicks: Bush is positioning aircraft carriers

12:53 Jimbo Hoyer: Covert

12:53 Angela Ge: hi Jimbo, sorry didnt' see you come in.

12:53 Dire Lobo is Online

12:53 Jimbo Hoyer: hi angela

12:53 Rik Riel is Offline

12:54 Angela Ge: he can't be positioning aricraft carriers.. that must be media hype..

12:54 errcheck Hicks: I will try to put otgether a coalition meeting

12:54 Drew Frobozz: great

12:54 errcheck Hicks: In the paper today

12:55 Angela Ge: the us military prescence in based mainly in bahrain and qatar.. honest havent observed any high-movement of aircraft.

12:55 Drew Frobozz: feel free to use either wiki to help w/ coalition building

12:55 Angela Ge: the regions' leadership wouldnt allow for it.

12:55 errcheck Hicks: I hope you are right

12:55 Angela Ge: that would be total disaster for the mideast.. and it wouldnt happen.. its just a scare tactic to get them off the uranium production.

12:56 Angela Ge: bush is a cute gentleman sometimes, just can write speeches for peanuts, that's all

12:56 Angela Ge smile

12:56 Angela Ge: s

12:56 Angela Ge: happy to help you with your colaliton needs errcheck.

12:56 errcheck Hicks: he United States has built up aircraft carrier strike forces in the Gulf as a warning to Iran.

12:56 Jimbo Hoyer: There is no nearterm chance of U production

12:56 errcheck Hicks: Reuters

12:57 Dire Lobo: Hey now!

12:57 Angela Ge: well the only 2 strike vessels out here are docked in the ports in bahrain with one in saudi arabia, and to my knowledge the folks on board are enjoying the local atmoshpere..

12:57 Angela Ge winks

12:57 errcheck Hicks: Hey Dire

12:57 Dire Lobo: Hey Drew. Nice to see you.

12:57 Jimbo Hoyer: There is speculation that the presence of the AC groups makes an incident very difficult to avoid, given how tight the gulf is

12:57 Dire Lobo: Pleased to meet you errcheck.

12:57 Troy McLuhan is Online

12:57 Angela Ge: secondly what happens in the media is sooo different to what's happening on the ground, am on the ground in the region so its easy to figure.. high security tension, is a yes.

12:58 errcheck Hicks: That's some intelligence Angela

12:58 Angela Ge grins

12:58 Angela Ge: common knowledge here Sir to most folks though

12:58 Angela Ge: :P

12:58 Krono Pro is Online

12:59 Drew Frobozz: hey Dire! Nice to see you too!

12:59 Angela Ge: hello Sire

12:59 Angela Ge: Sire*

12:59 Angela Ge: dIRE*

12:59 Dire Lobo: Hey Drew!

12:59 Angela Ge: keyboard mismatch

12:59 Angela Ge grins

12:59 Dire Lobo: Some call me Sire.

12:59 Dire Lobo: But its not required...

12:59 Angela Ge: aye, like me

12:59 Angela Ge grins

12:59 Aimee Weber is Online

12:59 Dire Lobo: Hi Angela. Pleased to meet you.

13:00 Angela Ge: pleased to meet you as well Dire.

13:00 Drew Frobozz: Angela, re: the wiki if we simply took the step of migrating to our own rootscampsl.pbwiki.com from the current rootscamp.pbwiki.com/rootscampsl, would you know how to migrate content?

13:00 Angela Ge: sure thing

13:00 Drew Frobozz: that would at least give us independent control of the wiki and allow us to open it up to the whole rootscampsl group to post, without jeopardizing the overall rootscamp pbwiki...

13:01 Drew Frobozz: ok great

13:01 Drew Frobozz: can you IM me your real world email so we can work on that?

13:01 Angela Ge: no worries, my pleasure

13:01 Drew Frobozz: very cool

13:02 Drew Frobozz: I have to run to the NASA CoLab meeting in SL now, but I'll post the transcript to this point later on the wiki

13:02 Drew Frobozz: feel free to keep chatting and to post the rest of the transcript later though!

13:02 Gus Plisskin is Online

13:02 Angela Ge: visitors allowed at that NASA meeting?

13:02 Angela Ge grins

13:02 errcheck Hicks: Thank u Drew u are a fountain of good information

13:03 Angela Ge: what if these visitors have nasa ames inside info on what a great job you folks behind the nasa initiative here are doing?

13:03 Angela Ge giggles

13:03 Drew Frobozz: absolutely.... Come to Space CoLab island and go up to one of the mountaintops. Or IM me for a teleport request once I'm there in a minute. good discussion here today-- thanks folks!

13:03 Angela Ge: thanks for chairing this meeting Drew, appreciate it.

13:03 Drew Frobozz: lol :)

13:03 Drew Frobozz: see you in space, I hope! :)

13:03 Drew Frobozz: ciao!

13:03 Angela Ge: like they say here.. inshalla

13:03 Angela Ge: /,e grins

13:04 Angela Ge: cioa!

13:04 Dire Lobo: Say, Drew

13:04 Angela Ge: ciao*