13:00 Drew Frobozz: Hi folks.

13:01 Yaakov Sputnik: I'm just delighting in Rick Santorum's defeat

13:01 Drew Frobozz: Ruby, I posted an agenda for this session 1 fyi at http://rootscamp.pbwiki.com/RootsCampSLSchedule

13:01 Aldon Huffhines: I'm kind of beat. I'm the technology coordinator for the Lamont campaign...

13:01 Aldon Huffhines: ... and we didn't have as much fun as Casey's folks must have had last night.

13:02 Drew Frobozz: Aldon it's Andrew :)

13:02 Yaakov Sputnik: Oh.... nice to meet you! You have a right to be totally out of it!

13:02 Drew Frobozz: (Hoppin)

13:02 Drew Frobozz: sorry about the result.

13:03 Aldon Huffhines: A little disappointing, but we are okay...

13:03 Aldon Huffhines: I'm already gearing up for '08

13:03 Ruby Glitter: Hi Aldon. I met you at PDF in NYC last year.

13:03 Yaakov Sputnik: I can't believe we have to listen to Lieberman's voice for another six years... but the Lamont folks made a valiant effort of which they should be proud

13:03 Aldon Huffhines: Hi Ruby. Nice to see you again.

13:04 There is no suitable surface to sit on, try another spot.

13:04 Aldon Huffhines: Drew, Ruby, if you want, I could probably talk a little bit about the Lamont campaign for one of the sessions.

13:04 Krono Pro is Online

13:04 Drew Frobozz: great idea

13:04 Aldon Huffhines: /is still looking around and can't see Drew.

13:04 Ruby Glitter: That would be great, Aldon!

13:04 Ruby Glitter: Can you add yourself ot the wiki @http://rootscamp.pbwiki.com/RootsCampSLSchedule ?

13:05 Drew Frobozz: perhaps "How Second Life will give Ned Lamont a Second Lease on Political Life"?

13:05 Aldon Huffhines: I will. I just wanted to bounce it off of you and Drew first.

13:05 Drew Frobozz: kidding

13:05 Aldon Huffhines: Drew, I was actually trying to get Ned on Second Life very early in the campaign.

13:05 Aldon Huffhines: Not many people really got the idea, however.

13:05 Yaakov Sputnik: How about "How Joe Lierberman should be banished to a world that doesn't really exist?"

13:06 Drew Frobozz: well working on that is part of what we can achieve her

13:06 Drew Frobozz: here

13:06 Little Oto: hey drew/ruby: i'm having a bit of a hard time with depth perception here, but I think that's somewhere close to a semi-circle, ya?

13:06 Aldon Huffhines: I also need to figure out what my schedule is like....

13:06 Drew Frobozz: how to communicate effectively about the opportunity available in SL

13:06 Ruby Glitter: Let's see, Little.

13:06 Drew Frobozz: for progressive netroots

13:06 Drew Frobozz: I can't seem to sit properly

13:06 Aldon Huffhines: I've put my whole life on hold for the past nine months, and now everyone who I said to call after the election is calling.

13:06 Aldon Huffhines: Drew, I had that problem myself, when I was younger ;-)

13:07 Drew Frobozz: tell them to come to RootsCamp now and they can all chat w/ you at their leisure! ;)

13:07 Yaakov Sputnik: Luckily my hangover from last night has made all but goofing around online impossible today

13:07 There is no suitable surface to sit on, try another spot.

13:07 Joy Link: hello everyone

13:07 Yaakov Sputnik: Hey Joy

13:07 Ruby Glitter: Hi Joy!

13:07 Drew Frobozz: hi joy

13:08 Ruby Glitter: I think we'll be having kind of a rolling start here. ;-)

13:08 Yaakov Sputnik: That's okay.... I'm barely coherent today

13:09 Ruby Glitter: We all are!

13:09 Yaakov Sputnik: God, I am loving this Rumsfeld resignation (have NPR on)

13:09 Ruby Glitter: Let's start with some introductions, OK?

13:09 Aldon Huffhines: Sounds good, Ruby

13:09 Ruby Glitter: I'd liek to knwo who folks are in RL, if you don't mind, and what political activism you have been doing and/or hope to do.

13:09 Ruby Glitter: i can start. ;)

13:10 Ruby Glitter: I am Ruby Sinreich, I live in deeply-progressive central North Carolina.

13:10 Ruby Glitter: I do a lot with local politic, including running a blog orangepolitics.org

13:10 Ruby Glitter: And I work for an aorganiation that help prgressive grouse use the nternet as an organizing tool.

13:10 Ruby Glitter: whew!

13:11 Aldon Huffhines: In RL, I'm Aldon Hynes. I simply spell my last name a little differently here.

13:11 Yaakov Sputnik: I'm Jake.... late of NC, now in Atlanta.... really terrible about real life activism, though the local Drinking Liberally has sucked me in.... I'm your test case on whether this sort of thing can make people like me into better activists!

13:12 Aldon Huffhines: I did a lot of work on the Dean campaign back in 2003, setting up a lot of Dean Space sites...

13:12 Krono Pro is Offline

13:12 Aldon Huffhines: DeanSpace has evolved into CivicSpace, which is how I know Drew.

13:12 Aldon Huffhines: I was Blogmaster for DeStefano for CT, a Governors race...

13:12 Aldon Huffhines: Technology Coordinator for the Lamont Campaign...

13:12 Aldon Huffhines: And am now looking at joining a possible '08 campaign.

13:13 Aldon Huffhines: Details to be announced later.

13:13 Ruby Glitter: ;-)

13:13 Aldon Huffhines: I've been hanging out in SL for a while, and have done a little SL based Machinima

13:13 Aldon Huffhines: Very little programming. etc.

13:13 Little Oto: I'm Aaron Pettigrew in RL,

13:14 Little Oto: I live in Vancouver, Canada,

13:14 Little Oto: work for a web development co. called Social Signal

13:14 Ruby Glitter: From social signal, right? hey!

13:14 Little Oto: ya, hi Ruby

13:14 Little Oto: :)

13:14 Ruby Glitter: :-D

13:14 Drew Frobozz: I'm Andrew Hoppin-- CivicSpace, Goodstorm, and now NASA (trying to get them to do all their software development open-source and transform their culture). Formerly the Draft Clark organizer for New York and in the IT Dept for his Presidential campaign.

13:14 Krono Pro is Online

13:14 Krono Pro is Online

13:15 Drew Frobozz: I'm also on the Board of the New Organizing Institute, the folks behind RootsCamp, and YearlyKos.

13:15 Drew Frobozz: hi Krono! :)

13:15 Ruby Glitter: Hi Krono.

13:15 Krono Pro: hi :)

13:15 Ruby Glitter: We're just doing introductions.

13:15 Krono Pro: ok ^_^

13:15 Ruby Glitter: BTW, everyone. Second Life is very buggy today!

13:16 Ruby Glitter: We all just finished, so it's your turn, krono. ;-)

13:16 Ruby Glitter: sorry to put you on the spot.

13:16 Krono Pro: krono pro, acorn, madird spain

13:16 Krono Pro: madrid*

13:16 Ruby Glitter: ¡Hola!

13:16 Krono Pro: hehehe

13:17 Ruby Glitter: So Dre has posted an agenda for us to get started.

13:17 Ruby Glitter: sorry Drew.

13:17 Ruby Glitter: http://rootscamp.pbwiki.com/RCSLSessionOne

13:17 Ruby Glitter: It goes liek this:

13:17 Ruby Glitter: 1. RootsCampSL Session 1: Planning for the Rest of RootsCampSL 2. People Attending 3. Overview of RootsCampSL 4. "Rules" for RootsCampSL 5. Process for RootsCampSL Sessions 6. Session Ideas, Proposals 7. RootsCampSL Venue 8. Publi

13:17 Ruby Glitter: sorry, that's a little messy.

13:18 Gus Plisskin is Online

13:18 Ruby Glitter: I thnk we have covered # 1 & 2.

13:18 Ruby Glitter: Agree/

13:18 Ruby Glitter: Agree?

13:18 Aldon Huffhines: Yup

13:18 Yaakov Sputnik: Sounds good

13:18 Little Oto: yup

13:18 Ruby Glitter: actually, we skipped #1, but that's OK fo now.

13:19 Ruby Glitter: The main thing is to discuss, the prcoess for how we will run sessions, the "rules" of roots camp, and what topics we'd liek to have.

13:19 Ruby Glitter: Let's start with Drew's suggestion for process.

13:19 Ruby Glitter: Can yo go over it, Drew?

13:19 Drew Frobozz: yep

13:20 Ruby Glitter: Great.

13:20 William Maginot: hey

13:20 Ruby Glitter: Welcome.

13:20 William Maginot: thx

13:20 Ruby Glitter: we are discussing our proposed process for RootsCamp sessions.

13:20 Drew Frobozz: first, could everyone please say "yes" to chatlogging this session?

13:20 Aldon Huffhines: yes

13:20 Yaakov Sputnik: yes

13:20 Krono Pro: yes

13:20 William Maginot: sure

13:20 Drew Frobozz: that means you give us permission to record what is said, and republish it

13:20 Old McDunnough: yes

13:20 Drew Frobozz: yes

13:21 Ruby Glitter: Si.

13:21 Little Oto: oui

13:21 Guest Book: Talk to me! Say 'gbhelp' for a list of commands.

13:21 Drew Frobozz: I was thinking that we could run RootsCampSL like this:

13:22 Drew Frobozz: 1) We have two scheduled "sessions" each day with interested topics and speakers

13:22 Drew Frobozz: 1-2pm, and 2-3pm Pacific each day between now and next tuesday

13:22 Drew Frobozz: schedule is on the wikie

13:22 Drew Frobozz: wiki*

13:22 Drew Frobozz: 2) The session convener announces we're getting started and introduces the topic at each session

13:22 Drew Frobozz: 3) the convener nominates a "secretary"

13:23 Drew Frobozz: ecretary asks everyone present to say "yes" to chatlogging and snapshots and film clips so that we can capture content from the session and continues to ask ongoingly whenever a new person drops in

13:23 Drew Frobozz: 4) secretary captures snapshots, chatlogs, film clips of the session and posts to the rootscampsl.org wiki

13:24 Drew Frobozz: 5) convener and anyone else in the group who volunteers edits the posted content into useful content-- the "results" of the RootsCamp session, suitable for "publication" on blogs etc.

13:24 Drew Frobozz: so we end up with a content product as well as social relationships and learning as the results of each RootsCamp session.

13:24 Drew Frobozz: and those are the "results" of RootsCampSL

13:24 Drew Frobozz: and a group of SL experienced Netroots people ready to cause impact over the next 2 years using this platform...

13:24 Ruby Glitter: Peopel can hold sesiosn any time, thoguht right? Not just 1pm and 2pm.

13:24 Drew Frobozz: right

13:25 Drew Frobozz: we'd commit to getting good content for those 2 hours every day

13:25 Drew Frobozz: but this space is open 24/7 for social drop-in

13:25 Drew Frobozz: and for additional sessions if people wish

13:25 Ruby Glitter: Exactly.

13:25 Ruby Glitter: Does anyone have other questions, or suggestions about that process?

13:26 Krono Pro: sounds good to me

13:26 Old McDunnough: This is essentially my first time in this environment. Be warned.

13:26 Drew Frobozz: GOOD, Old

13:26 Nolmendil Octagon: Same.

13:26 Drew Frobozz: that's part of the point here...

13:26 Ruby Glitter: very goos!

13:26 Drew Frobozz: catalyze an SL-savvy Netroots community

13:26 Ruby Glitter: er, gooD.

13:27 Drew Frobozz: I was a total newbie a couple of weeks ago

13:27 Drew Frobozz: we're all learning together as we go

13:27 Ruby Glitter: OK.

13:27 Old McDunnough: I'm hoping this helps inform the RootsCamp in Bloomington next week

13:27 Ruby Glitter: Cool, Old!

13:27 Drew Frobozz: I'll "secretary" for this session Ruby.

13:27 Drew Frobozz: yes that's also part of the point, Old.

13:28 Krono Pro is Offline

13:28 Drew Frobozz: "test" ideas here

13:28 Krono Pro is Online

13:28 Ruby Glitter: There are also soem proposed "Rules of RootsCamp", but they are for RL rootscamps, so I think we shoudl adapt and then adopt them.

13:28 Ruby Glitter: You can read them (hopefully) by click ing over here...

13:28 Drew Frobozz: please feel free to invite any of your Bloomington RootsCamp attendees to attend here this week

13:29 Old McDunnough: One of my colleagues is here. He's the SL guide

13:29 William Maginot: *grins*

13:29 Guest Book: Talk to me! Say 'gbhelp' for a list of commands.

13:29 Ruby Glitter: I'm not sure if we should discuss the "rules" or...?

13:30 Drew Frobozz: I'd say let's dig right in

13:30 Ruby Glitter: Dig in to...?

13:30 Drew Frobozz: the agenda

13:31 Ruby Glitter: thatis the next thing on the agenda.

13:31 Drew Frobozz: oops ok

13:31 Drew Frobozz: :)

13:31 Ruby Glitter: I guess the main thing to take from them in the "no tourists" attitude.

13:31 Ruby Glitter: everyone participates and contrbiutes.

13:31 Ruby Glitter: I edited it (the agenda) after you sent me the URL

13:32 Ruby Glitter: No need to word smith right now... ;-)

13:32 Ruby Glitter: Ay questions baout the 'rules" thing before we move on?

13:32 Yaakov Sputnik: none here

13:32 Ruby Glitter: Ok!

13:32 Aldon Huffhines: Looks good to me

13:32 Ruby Glitter: Next is Session ideas, porposal.

13:32 Guest Book: Talk to me! Say 'gbhelp' for a list of commands.

13:32 Ruby Glitter: proposalS

13:33 Ruby Glitter: We already have listed a few ideas on the wiki.

13:33 Ruby Glitter: click this thing on my right ro link to the wiki page w/ the schedule.

13:34 Ruby Glitter: Would you prefer that I go over the idea or start with your ideas?

13:34 Ruby Glitter: OK.

13:34 Ruby Glitter: I'll start with some ideas and then they will probably spur some of your own.

13:34 Yaakov Sputnik: sounds good to me

13:35 Little Oto: me too

13:35 Ruby Glitter: One of the great things in SL is the chat log will record all your brilliant suggestions.

13:35 Ruby Glitter: so we don't have to erite notes at the same time.

13:35 Jose Rote is Online

13:35 Ruby Glitter: OK, so in no particular order...

13:35 Ruby Glitter: # Accountability in the electoral system. Discussion with Rob Stuart of http://VoterStory.org

13:36 Ruby Glitter: Rob has agreed to this, but not scheduled a time.

13:36 Ruby Glitter: # Technology Tools for 2008 Discussions with Peter Leyden of the New Politics Institute

13:36 Drew Frobozz: Likewise, Peter has agreeed to do this, but not scheduled a time

13:36 Drew Frobozz: He was actually invited over to Linden Lab a couple weeks ago to 'chat'

13:37 Drew Frobozz: I can't wait to hear all about THAT! :)

13:37 Ruby Glitter: Cool.

13:37 Ruby Glitter: :)

13:37 Ruby Glitter: # State/regional caucuses. Led by local bloggers and organizers.

13:37 Ruby Glitter: In states like NC we are very far apart, might benefit from meeting virtually.

13:37 Gillux Geer: Hi all

13:37 Drew Frobozz: Hi Gillux

13:37 Krono Pro: hi

13:38 Ruby Glitter: We are discussin topics for the week.

13:38 Drew Frobozz: Gillux, can you please say "yes" to chatlogging so we can "record" all our thoughts?

13:38 Gillux Geer: yes

13:38 Drew Frobozz: thx

13:38 Ruby Glitter: # The brave new world of virtual campaigns. How should SL be used by progressive organizers?

13:38 Ruby Glitter: This is just a general one, I proposed.

13:38 Ruby Glitter: # New to Second Life? Discuss basic how-to's and find out about some of the great stuff already going on in-world. Led by Ruby Sinreich.

13:39 Ruby Glitter: # Social networking as a campaign tool. Led by Fred Stutzman (invited).

13:39 Rik Riel is Online

13:39 Ruby Glitter: Fred tells me his computer can't handle SL, but I will see if he can do this from my offic or something.

13:39 Ruby Glitter: he organized a BarCamp here in NC.

13:39 Ruby Glitter: # # # Rumsfeld is gone, now how do we get out of Iraq? Invite Bring Them Home Now, Stan Goff, September 11th Families for Peaceful Tomorrows.

13:40 Ruby Glitter: just over there.

13:40 Ruby Glitter: This is very pertinent b/c Peaceful Tomorrow actually has a space here on Better World island.

13:41 Ruby Glitter: We also have a general election discussion schedule for 2pm today, a closing session about 2008 presidential, and then I'd liek ot have a closing party. ;-)

13:41 Ruby Glitter: Welcome, Signore.

13:41 Ruby Glitter: So folks, other ideas?

13:41 Signore Iredell: (hi all )

13:41 Ruby Glitter: Alson said he'd do one about the Lamont campaign.

13:42 Drew Frobozz: can you please say "yes" to chatlogging this session Signore?

13:42 Ruby Glitter: Ahem... no tourists....

13:42 Ruby Glitter: Just brainstiorm.

13:42 Ruby Glitter: you don;thave to be an expert.

13:42 Ruby Glitter: just interested.

13:42 Signore Iredell: unfortunately i have to go now (and just arrived, pity...)

13:42 Aldon Huffhines: There are a lot of different topics that I'm really interested in...

13:42 Aldon Huffhines: e.g. Use of YouTube and other video sharing...

13:43 Aldon Huffhines: That ties in nicely with the Lamont campaign stuff.

13:43 Old McDunnough: I will just make a comment ... This is very difficult to get the hang of and to be able to follow the conversations. Lots of little buttons to figure out.

13:43 Aldon Huffhines: Since, we are here in SecondLife, something about using Machinima would also be very interesting.

13:43 Yaakov Sputnik: As sort of an outsider, I do think a discussion of the limitations of this as an organizing medium is important

13:43 Ruby Glitter: Hi Rik. We're discussion possible topics for the week.

13:43 Rik Riel: oo did someone say machinima!

13:44 Aldon Huffhines: Yeah... I've put together a couple first tests from SL...

13:44 Ruby Glitter: Rik, can you lead a session on machinima for activists?

13:44 Yaakov Sputnik: what is machinima, anyway?

13:44 Old McDunnough: Depending on when that machinima/limitations of the medium session takes place, I've got a few people at IU who might be very interested in that

13:44 Ruby Glitter: it's like video of SL.

13:44 Aldon Huffhines: I would love to see people creating Machinima based Political Ads.

13:44 Yaakov Sputnik: brb... real life

13:44 Ruby Glitter: check wikipedia

13:44 Rik Riel: It's filmmaking using 3d graphics tools

13:44 Aldon Huffhines: There are some GREAT machinima folks around here.

13:44 Rik Riel: I'd be willing to do that, if that's helpful

13:45 Ruby Glitter: Great!

13:45 Aldon Huffhines: Rik, that would be wonderful!

13:45 Rik Riel: but there might be other uses for me, i.e. civil society groups in SL, political campaigning, etc

13:45 Rik Riel: but whatever folks are most interested in

13:45 Ruby Glitter: Cool.

13:45 Little Oto: afk

13:45 Ruby Glitter: I wonder if we should do another round if introductions. there are a lot of new people.

13:46 Rik Riel: I've already put oto to sleep

13:46 Ruby Glitter: Heh.

13:46 Drew Frobozz: OTO! :)

13:46 Ruby Glitter: I am Ruby Sinreich (again) and my life is exposed at lotusmedia.org

13:46 Ruby Glitter: other introductions?

13:46 Ruby Glitter: you can all go at once. ;-)

13:47 Drew Frobozz: gbhelp

13:47 Guest Book:

VISITORS COMMANDS:

gbhelp - shows this help.

gbaddcomment text - adds your comment to the book.

gbsaycomments - say all the comments in the book.

ADMIN COMMANDS:

gbsayvisitors - says the visitor list.

gbresetvisitors - rests the administrator list.

gbdelcomment number - deletes a comment in the book.

gbresetcomments - resets the comment list.

gbsetrange number - sets the range in meters in which visitors are detected and logged.

gbsetwelcome text - sets the message that visitors will see when logged in. Empty text for no message.

OWNER COMMANDS:

gbaddadmin name - adds an administrator.

gbdeladmin name - deletes an administrator.

gbsayadmins - says the administrator list.

gbresetadmins - resets the administrator list.

gbresetall - resets all the lists.

Report bugs to Krono Pro, thank you.

13:47 Rik Riel: I'm Rik Riel / Rik Panganiban. Technology and politics is my game, rikomatic.com is my point of departure.

13:47 Krono Pro is Offline

13:47 Aldon Huffhines: Aldon Hynes, on Deaniac, Deanspace, CivicSpace, Lamont for Senate, http://www.orient-lodge.com (currently down_

13:47 Ruby Glitter: I've seen your blog, Rik. :-)

13:47 Rik Riel: By day I support academic-activist collaborations on media policy.

13:48 Gillux Geer: Gillo here, sometimes shaking totaltactics.org. Mostly working with environmental NGOs

13:48 Old McDunnough: Kevin Makice. Ph.D. student at Indiana, working to organize a BLoomington rootscamp for 17th/18th

13:48 Ruby Glitter: Gillo, formerly og GreenPeace!

13:48 Rik Riel: (drew has his back to us, like we've offended him.)

13:49 Drew Frobozz: Andrew Hoppin-- CivicSpace, Goodstorm, DraftClark/Clark for Prez in 2004, currently NASA. Also do New Organizing Institute and YearlyKos work.

13:49 Gillux Geer: right, wider family now :)

13:49 Ruby Glitter: Little?

13:49 Drew Frobozz: I do? (back to you)

13:49 Nolmendil Octagon: I'm Jason Baker, live near Ruby in NC, and am brand new to SL, so please be kind. I'm an undergraduate student and am interested in getting students civicly engaged.

13:49 Ruby Glitter: please re-intro...

13:50 Little Oto: Sorry, ya -- I'm Aaron Pettigrew, hailing from Vancouver

13:50 Ruby Glitter: Thanks, everyone!

13:50 Rik Riel: we let foreigners in here?

13:50 Ruby Glitter: you bet. now that Dems are in charge...

13:50 Gillux Geer: Rik: what do you mean by foreigners?

13:50 Ruby Glitter: :-P

13:50 Little Oto: :)

13:50 Rik Riel: /lol

13:51 Ruby Glitter: So how abot some more ideas for sessions or speakers or topics?

13:51 Drew Frobozz: Krono Pro, a Spaniard, has been helping us every day w/ RootsCamp preparation too.

13:51 Ruby Glitter: yes, there are some others involved..

13:51 Aldon Huffhines: I'm not sure exactly what this would look like, but perhaps some people can pick up and run with this...

13:51 Rik Riel: something about most effective uses of internet as campaigning / organizing tool?

13:51 Ruby Glitter: Which reminds me: please join our group!

13:51 Aldon Huffhines: Some sort of live music... Using Live music in SL as part of political events...

13:51 Ruby Glitter: This allows us to sen dupdates easily and other stuff.

13:52 Old McDunnough: How do you join a group?

13:52 Little Oto: that's a neat idea, Aldon

13:52 Ruby Glitter: Hm, interesting Aldon.

13:52 Rik Riel: got to "search" then "groups" and then type "roots"

13:52 Aldon Huffhines: (I go to a lot of concerts here... We had Black47 at the Lamont event last night. etc...)

13:52 Drew Frobozz: Great idea Aldon... we can get Concerts For Change people here, Music For America people here, Youth Speaks people here, etc.

13:52 Ruby Glitter: or you can get to it through my or Drew's profile.

13:52 Ruby Glitter: We'll also invite you all later.

13:52 Rik Riel: also U2inSL

13:53 Drew Frobozz: can you post that to the wiki Aldon?

13:53 Rik Riel: which raises money / awareness for the one.org campaign

13:53 Aldon Huffhines: Drew, Rik, if you could speak with those folks, it would be great

13:53 Drew Frobozz: I know the guy who organized Live8 a bit too...

13:53 Drew Frobozz: but he's another foreigner... ;)

13:53 Gillux Geer: Anybody used the nonprofit mailing list that LindenLab setup?

13:53 Aldon Huffhines: / points to his one.org T-Shirt he got at a u2 concert here

13:54 Ruby Glitter: Gillux, no but I go to the weekly nonprofit meetups at the Tech Soup office on Info island.

13:54 Drew Frobozz: didn't know about that Gillux... coud you add that to the RootsCampSL wiki as a resource under "Publicity" on today's agenda?

13:54 Rik Riel: is there any interest in discussing net neutrality as a 2007 campaigning / organizing issue?

13:54 Ruby Glitter: good topic.

13:55 Rik Riel: it will be quite central at the Natl Conf on Media Reform i Memphis in January

13:55 Gillux Geer: got it

13:55 Drew Frobozz: Gillux, it's at rootscamp.pbwiki.com/RCSLSessionOne

13:55 Drew Frobozz: Yes. And Rik, could you please go to the wiki and sign up for whatever times and topics you're motivated to do... machinima is good, but so are the others you proposed.

13:56 Rik Riel nods in agreement.

13:56 Ruby Glitter: As a reminder, we want to fill the 1pm and 2pm slots every day, but discussion leaders can do it any time they like.

13:56 Drew Frobozz: Perhaps we can make the final day or RootsCampSL-- next Tuesday-- the day about "using SL for Netroots"

13:56 Drew Frobozz: a wrap up of everything we've learned from doing this

13:56 Drew Frobozz: and a training session for all of us going forward...

13:56 Ruby Glitter: I think we could do it before then. ;-)

13:56 Ruby Glitter: Oh, definitely.

13:57 Ruby Glitter: a lessions learned session is a good idea.

13:57 Gillux Geer: Ruby: when are the techsoup SL meeting?

13:57 Ruby Glitter: Every Friday at 8:30 PST.

13:58 Rik Riel: AM?

13:58 Ruby Glitter: OK, that's a lot of good ideas.

13:58 Ruby Glitter: yes, sorry AM.

13:58 Gillux Geer: ok, timezones suck

13:58 Ruby Glitter: I know it!

13:58 Aldon Huffhines: I just added my favs from this to the Wiki

13:58 Ruby Glitter: Hello AF.

13:58 Drew Frobozz: welcome AF

13:58 Rik Riel: thanks for dropping in , AF.

13:58 AF Viking: yo

13:58 Ruby Glitter: We were just wrapping up a brainstorm of discussion topics for this week.

13:59 Ruby Glitter: Care to introduce yourself?

13:59 AF Viking: yeah.. I am Alex S I work at Trellon with Drew

13:59 Ruby Glitter: Great. Welcome.

14:00 Ruby Glitter: So before we moveon, I just want to remind everyone of the "no tourists" rule. so pleaes add stuff to the wiki. ;-)

14:00 Ruby Glitter: Nest agenda item:RootsCampSL venue

14:00 Old McDunnough: Here's a questions about participation in this environment:

14:00 Ruby Glitter: Yes?

14:00 Old McDunnough: I understand the typing in the IM

14:00 Drew Frobozz: AF, if you want to catch up on what we've already covered, I've posted the transcript thus far to this URL:

14:00 Old McDunnough: But where else is all this being recorded?

14:00 Drew Frobozz: https://rootscamp.pbwiki.com/%28InProcessSession1Transcript

14:01 Yaakov Sputnik: back again... sorry about that

14:01 Aldon Huffhines: I think Drew has been taking pictures...

14:01 Old McDunnough: Will we be breaking up into groups, etc in future sessions?

14:01 Aldon Huffhines: And perhaps there can be some movies taken.

14:01 Ruby Glitter: Yes, Old.

14:02 Ruby Glitter: We have some other places here on BWI and other islands where folks can break out.

14:02 Ruby Glitter: I'm taking some pictures too, since I can se eyou all from here.

14:02 Ruby Glitter: We have these info givers behind me.

14:02 Ruby Glitter: In terms of the venue, do y'all have any other suggestions?

14:02 Ruby Glitter: each one gives you somethign when you touch it.

14:02 Drew Frobozz: Old, from my perspective it depends on how a session organizer wants to run each session

14:03 Drew Frobozz: some may make sense to do breakouts-- if, say, we want to have people from a particular State convene and organize

14:03 Drew Frobozz: but for most I think it makes sense to be together for the scheduled sessions

14:03 Drew Frobozz: and then do breakouts informally after/before

14:03 Drew Frobozz: but what do you think?

14:03 Rik Riel agrees

14:04 Old McDunnough: I've got a bit of information overload confronting me here. I was thinking about how whiteboards and markers translate here.

14:04 Old McDunnough: Is there a way to sketch out things in this environment?

14:04 Ruby Glitter: We have actually treied soem whiteboard options...

14:04 Ruby Glitter: Sort of.

14:04 Drew Frobozz: I do think we need some good tools for information capture

14:04 Drew Frobozz: we're a bit too novice thus far to make them work well

14:04 Old McDunnough: I see

14:04 Drew Frobozz: but in my work with the Spaceport Alpha folks I've seen them used well

14:05 Ruby Glitter: Welcome Beth!

14:05 Ruby Glitter: We are discussing our space here and toosl for whiteboarding, etc.

14:05 Beth Kavka: hi ..

14:05 Drew Frobozz: Rik, Aldon, any chance you could help us deploy better meeting support tools here? or find volunteers who could?

14:05 Rik Riel: hiya beth

14:05 Beth Kavka: hi rik

14:05 Ruby Glitter: Pleaes introduce yourself - once you get settled.

14:05 Drew Frobozz: and pleae say "yes" to chatlogging this session

14:05 Beth Kavka: can't stay for long ..

14:06 Rik Riel: The SL library folks are often helpful at this kind of stuff, particularly milosun czervik

14:06 Ruby Glitter: (Sorry y'all, the t-shirt thing is broekn. trying to fix.)

14:06 Aldon Huffhines: I'm probably not the person to come up with better meeting support tools here... Sorry.

14:06 Rik Riel: I'm pretty dim at that stuff as well.

14:06 Drew Frobozz: could you ask him or introduce us?

14:07 Rik Riel: sure, he's very amiable.

14:07 Drew Frobozz: great

14:07 Drew Frobozz: would you be up for collaborating with him to deploy improvements here? (you can say "no"! ;)

14:07 Ruby Glitter: Hi Jose!

14:07 Jose Rote: hello

14:08 Ruby Glitter: Let's get intrductions from Jose 7 beth.

14:08 Ruby Glitter: Is anyone else new?

14:08 Rik Riel: I can program manage it if we have a wish list

14:08 Ruby Glitter: er, Jose & Beth.

14:08 Beth Kavka: sorry ..

14:08 Drew Frobozz: great Rik-- thank you!

14:08 Beth Kavka: Beth Kavka

14:08 Beth Kavka: np tech consultant

14:08 Beth Kavka: and blogger

14:09 Little Oto: hi beth

14:09 Jose Rote: I am Jose, I am with ACORN, and fresh off the Webb campaign that will give us back the Senate

14:09 Ruby Glitter: yay!

14:09 Yaakov Sputnik: Nice work!

14:09 Ruby Glitter: OK.

14:10 Ruby Glitter: Se were talking about the space here and tools in SL...

14:10 Ruby Glitter: BTW, please tell me if these "givers' stop working.

14:11 Old McDunnough: Are there artifacts, like personal notebooks or something, that could be provided to everyone? Anything that would allow us to use desktop tools but share the content through something we hold here in this world?

14:11 Ruby Glitter: The basic currency is notecards, Old.

14:11 Ruby Glitter: They are very simple to edit and share.

14:11 Drew Frobozz: Rik, I created a venue "wishlist" page here:

14:11 Drew Frobozz: https://rootscamp.pbwiki.com/RootsCampSLVenue%20Venue%20Wishlist%20here

14:11 Rik Riel: drew: gracias

14:12 Little Oto: in terms of venues, I like the creative commons space

14:12 Ruby Glitter: Others?

14:12 Ruby Glitter: We shoud lmove on.

14:12 Ruby Glitter: One more topics and then we can talk about the election!

14:13 Ruby Glitter: the last agenda item is Publicity.

14:13 Ruby Glitter: The final agenda item is publicity.

14:13 Ruby Glitter: sorry, lag. :-(

14:13 Ruby Glitter: First, I hope every one here will spread the word.

14:14 Ruby Glitter: Especially if you have blogs.

14:14 Beth Kavka: I'm like madly multi-tasking

14:14 Beth Kavka: that's why I'm hear .. gonna grab some photos .. and I can blog it .. I

14:14 Ruby Glitter: One of the most intersting things ot share is the schedule since that will get peopel interested in coming.

14:14 Ruby Glitter: Cool, Beth!

14:14 Drew Frobozz: great Beth. The full transcript will be posted so you can review what happened here

14:14 Rik Riel: I'll blog it up too, and mention on New World Notes

14:14 Ruby Glitter: Also please use the rootscampsl tag.

14:15 Drew Frobozz: at www.rootscampsl.org

14:15 Ruby Glitter: Thanks, Rik!

14:15 Ruby Glitter: Any other suggestions for how to reach progresisves in-world or politicos in RL?

14:15 Yaakov Sputnik: well, in terms of wider publicity...

14:16 Yaakov Sputnik: the BBC has been doing a *lot* of stories on SL and other virtual worlds, but only the economic, not the political angle

14:16 Yaakov Sputnik: if you want very wide publicity (i.e. global) they could be receptive

14:16 Ruby Glitter: That might be good for after the event. Spreading the word about all the ood ideas we will be having this week. ;-)

14:16 Rik Riel: Yeah approaching the RL media in SL, like reuters, wired, etc.

14:16 Ruby Glitter: er Good ideas

14:17 Gillux Geer: Wwired is also doing a lot of coverage

14:17 Drew Frobozz: great- I think I can get to some BBC people through the Drupal people that just launched a new website for them, but if anyone has more direct contact with them, please use it! :)

14:17 Ruby Glitter: Sounds good, Drew.

14:17 Rik Riel: sorry, are we tlking about getting non-SL residents to come in world to participate in these discussions?

14:17 Gillux Geer: btw there's someone who's actually doing a Second Life diary on BBC

14:17 Ruby Glitter: various things, Rik.

14:17 Drew Frobozz: Great. Peter Leyden, who will be doing one our our RootsCampSL sessions, was one of the co-founders of Wired.

14:17 Ruby Glitter: first, getting activists 9and potential activists) to attend.

14:18 Ruby Glitter: but also afterward promoting positive use of SL.

14:18 Aldon Huffhines: We could contact the Reuters Bureua for Second Life and invite them.

14:18 Ruby Glitter: As an example of what camapigns can do.

14:18 Ruby Glitter: Good idea, Alson.

14:18 Gillux Geer: Aldon: just go there and talk to the Reuters SL guy

14:18 Ruby Glitter: Anyone have contacts w/ Reuters?

14:18 Ruby Glitter: Oh.

14:18 Gillux Geer: secondlife.reuters.com

14:18 Rik Riel: Their in-world reporters has daily office hours

14:19 Gillux Geer: forgot his name, but its on their website

14:19 Ruby Glitter: I've seen it, too...

14:19 Aldon Huffhines: Adam Reuters...

14:19 Aldon Huffhines: http://secondlife.reuters.com/

14:19 Aldon Huffhines: I can contact him later...

14:19 Aldon Huffhines: (I need to attend to RL now)

14:19 Ruby Glitter: Cool, thanks.

14:19 Gillux Geer: of course...

14:20 Drew Frobozz: please post who you're going to contact (not by name if it's sensitive) to the wiki for Session One under "publicity" so that we don't double-up

14:20 Ruby Glitter: OK. do you have a sec to hang out and tell us about CT, Aldon?

14:20 Aldon Huffhines: Well, dinner is waiting for me...

14:20 Ruby Glitter: OK.

14:20 Aldon Huffhines: What I'd like to do is talk in much more detail tomorrow or Friday..

14:20 Aldon Huffhines: I'll figure out my schedule later today.

14:20 Ruby Glitter: That sounds good.

14:21 Aldon Huffhines: I also haven't really decompressed yet.

14:21 Ruby Glitter: Thanks so much for coming!

14:21 Aldon Huffhines: I also really want to hear about the Webb campaign!

14:21 Aldon Huffhines: Bye everyone

14:21 Ruby Glitter: Bye, Aldon.

14:21 Yaakov Sputnik: Bye! Thanks for all your hard work on the campaign

14:21 Ruby Glitter: Any other thoughts about publicity?

14:21 Ruby Glitter: Any thing I can make that will help folks promote.

14:21 Ruby Glitter: like the poster, etc.

14:22 Ruby Glitter: ...

14:22 Ruby Glitter: Ok! end of session!

14:22 Gillux Geer: If there's anybody here working/studying in universities, that's another channel

14:22 Ruby Glitter: Drew, do you want to lead session 2: on election results & analysis?

14:23 Ruby Glitter: Thanks, Gillux.

14:23 Drew Frobozz: Ok. please everyone who hasn't say "yes" to chatlogging

14:23 Jose Rote: chatlog okay with me: yes

14:24 Drew Frobozz: and I've created an https://rootscamp.pbwiki.com/RootsCampSLPublicity page for all those publicity ideas...

14:24 Old McDunnough: I'm at a university. I'm going to send some of this info to the local student paper. I'm thinking that the joy of the week and the tech-centric location might be a draw

14:24 Rik Riel consents.

14:24 Drew Frobozz: please post

14:24 Ruby Glitter: Hi Sandy.

14:24 Ruby Glitter: We're about to start discussing the election.

14:24 Sandy Cure: Hi EVERYONE :)

14:24 Yaakov Sputnik: Hello there

14:24 Drew Frobozz: Ruby, please berate people into saying "yes" to chatlogging for this next part! ;)

14:25 Ruby Glitter: Will do. ;)

14:25 Ruby Glitter: Sandy, do you agree ot being chat logged and photo'ed here?

14:25 Ruby Glitter: Please say yes.

14:25 Drew Frobozz: so to be honest, I don't have an election results/analysis session prepared, as I was up, um... rather late! ;)

14:25 Drew Frobozz: However, what I woud like to do

14:25 Beth Kavka is Online

14:25 Sandy Cure: sorry i don't know any thing about what your doing so not fair for me to vote

14:25 Drew Frobozz: and think would be valuable, would be to go around the Camp here

14:26 Drew Frobozz: and give a brief overview of what happened yesterday in our respective geographies, how we were involved, and what the "pulse" of your political community it today...

14:26 Yaakov Sputnik: sounds good

14:26 Ruby Glitter: Sandy, we just need to you agree to the documenting we are doing of this meeting. You can consent to it by saying "yes"

14:26 Drew Frobozz: do people in your political geography think that Democrats did well? How well?

14:27 Drew Frobozz: What could have gone better? What went surprisingly well?

14:27 Ruby Glitter: Can eveyone shout out what state or country they are in?

14:27 Yaakov Sputnik: Georgia

14:27 Drew Frobozz: Do your people want Pelosi and the House to hold hearings on tough issues? Impeachment hearings? etc etc?

14:27 Ruby Glitter: North Carolina

14:27 Little Oto: I'm in Canada (Vancouver)

14:27 Drew Frobozz: or do they want reconciliation?

14:27 Old McDunnough: Indiana

14:27 Gillux Geer: Interested in what was said here in Italy?

14:27 Drew Frobozz: etc etc

14:27 Jose Rote: Kissell in NC (Charlotte, NC) needed more support, his race was thought a long shot, thus he didn't get ANY support, and now he will lose by 200 votes!

14:28 Drew Frobozz: Sound ok to everyone? or other ideas/suggestions/requests for this next ~30 min?

14:28 Drew Frobozz: yes Gillux-

14:28 Jose Rote: I would like to hear about international opinion (Italy, etc.)

14:28 Yaakov Sputnik: John Lewis ran unopposed here in Atlanta, so obviously won.... in-town Atlanta is very very Democratic, the state is shockingly right-wing... the state Dem gubanatorial candidate was a scary Republican clone

14:28 Drew Frobozz: I'm VERY interested in getting citizens of this planet more educated about each other's local/regional/national politics

14:28 Ruby Glitter: personally, i'd be into talking a little more about the results, before we get into the Dem's agenda next year.

14:29 Drew Frobozz: we have such an impact on EACH OTHER

14:29 Drew Frobozz: ok Ruby

14:29 Drew Frobozz: definitely can talk about results

14:29 Jose Rote: ok Ruby

14:29 Drew Frobozz: I'm also interested in "the pulse"

14:29 Ruby Glitter: Maybe we could each talk about a local race...?

14:29 Drew Frobozz: how people are feeling

14:29 Yaakov Sputnik: I agree... and also where people to the left of the Dems fit in

14:29 Drew Frobozz: all good stuff.

14:29 Ruby Glitter: yes, Yaakov!

14:29 Gillux Geer: Best quote was from the Minister of Foreign Affairs when the news of Rumsfeld resigning broke up. He said this was the "Beauty" of democracy

14:29 Yaakov Sputnik: or progressives within the Dems, given the rush to the "centre"

14:29 Drew Frobozz: so let's go around and each take a few minutes?

14:30 Yaakov Sputnik: sounds good.... shall we do it left to right?

14:30 Ruby Glitter: That's a good idea.

14:30 Drew Frobozz: sure.

14:30 Old McDunnough: it would be fitting

14:30 Drew Frobozz: LOL

14:30 Little Oto: lol

14:30 Ruby Glitter: ;-)

14:31 Drew Frobozz: your left or mine? ;)

14:31 Yaakov Sputnik: that's the perennial question in US politics!

14:31 Drew Frobozz: heh

14:31 Jose Rote: I think the rush for the center is good, given our previous failures, we must move the country left by degrees, not revolutions

14:31 Drew Frobozz: ooh a bold statement! :) how about we govern from the Center and I'll start! ;)

14:31 Yaakov Sputnik: right-o

14:32 Drew Frobozz: I'll start... Here in San Francsico there was a lot of glee last night... Obviously...

14:32 Jose Rote: :)

14:32 Drew Frobozz: but especially with Pelosi becoming Speaker

14:32 Drew Frobozz: of the House

14:33 Drew Frobozz: and the big question is "how polticially strategic will she be-- in terms of building a big tent in the Center and being a unifying force for the Left and Moderates... Or will she, as Repubicans asserted in advance of the election,push a far Left agenda"

14:34 Drew Frobozz: in other words, will she wear the hat of Speaker of the House more, or will she wear the hat of the "Liberal San Francisco Democratic Representative" that she is?

14:34 Drew Frobozz: My guess is the former...

14:34 Drew Frobozz: But there are a lot of people here that want impeachment hearings etc. right away...

14:35 Jose Rote: in NC and VA that would play out poorly

14:35 Ruby Glitter: She seems pretty moderate, especially for SF.

14:35 Drew Frobozz: I think the focus of newly elected Dems is quickly going to turn to "how do we position our Party well for the Presidential race in 2008"

14:35 Little Oto: I read this morning that if Bush was impeached, Pelosi would become acting president, making her the first woman in office

14:36 Yaakov Sputnik: Wouldnt they have to go through Cheney first?

14:36 Drew Frobozz: but I personally think that being candid about what you believe and having backbone is critical to being an effective political leader

14:36 Drew Frobozz: yes Cheney first

14:36 Yaakov Sputnik: Gods forbid!

14:36 Little Oto: that makes sense

14:36 Drew Frobozz: conciatory, not vengeful... thoughtful... but candid and bold.

14:37 Drew Frobozz: and Ruby I agree-- she is not radical.

14:37 Jose Rote: yes: with charity to all and malice toward none

14:37 Yaakov Sputnik: well, almost none :)

14:37 Jose Rote: :)

14:37 Drew Frobozz: the country may well learn a lot more about San Francsico from her leadership-- that it's a very thoughtful town-- and not out of step with the rest of the country as much as Bill O'Reilly would have you believe...

14:38 Yaakov Sputnik: Well, much of the O'Reilly stuff is flat out homophobia anyway

14:38 Drew Frobozz: still, I'm excited to have a true Progressive and a woman leading the Democratic Party and in a position to provide a lot of leadership for the country.

14:38 Ruby Glitter: Me too.

14:39 Jose Rote: do we want to talk about homophobia and gay rights messaging?

14:39 Drew Frobozz: Another key question is whether the best the Democrats can hope to do over the next two years is to slow down Bush and the White House from prosecuting their agenda...

14:39 Ruby Glitter: want to do a session on that, Jose?

14:39 Drew Frobozz: or whether the Democrats in Congress will be able to set their own as the political policy agenda of the country.

14:40 Yaakov Sputnik: This is a non sequitur, but I also want to point out that the Senate is now 1% socialist! :)

14:40 Jose Rote: :0

14:40 Drew Frobozz: Ok I'm off my soapbox. Next?

14:40 Yaakov Sputnik: who is next?

14:40 Drew Frobozz: or any questions for me?

14:40 Yaakov Sputnik: I forgot where the left was, lol

14:40 Jose Rote: I want to know how we win in 2008

14:41 Ruby Glitter: :-D

14:41 Ruby Glitter: Jose, that's definitely going to be a session.

14:41 Drew Frobozz: by using Second Life, of course... ;)

14:41 Ruby Glitter: that's awhole nother discussion. ;-)

14:41 Yaakov Sputnik: Yes, the place that doesn't really exist will swing victory for us

14:41 Ruby Glitter: Let's keep going with the local debriefings.

14:41 Little Oto: lol

14:41 Yaakov Sputnik: good idea

14:41 Drew Frobozz: we'll have it-- next Tuesday.. How to use Second Life for 2008. It's on the schedule.

14:42 Rik Riel: any thoughts on the Green Party and other independents as spoilers / helpful in a progressive agenda?

14:42 Jose Rote: spoilers!

14:42 Ruby Glitter: in 2006, rik?

14:42 Yaakov Sputnik: I'd have loved to have a Green on the ballot in GA at the local level... I'd have voted for them in a heartbeat

14:42 Rik Riel: yeah

14:42 Jose Rote: we could have lost in VA due to stupid 20k votes to clueless green party woman

14:42 Drew Frobozz: I think the Right has as much chance to have spoilers as the Left in 2008....

14:43 Jose Rote: we should encourage the Libertarians

14:43 Ruby Glitter: I was't aware of any spoilers this year. what are you referring to?

14:43 Drew Frobozz: the Pat Buchanan's of the world hate the Rumsfeld's of the world.... lots of fractures in the Right.

14:43 Rik Riel: just read something... checking ....

14:43 Ruby Glitter: which office, Jose?

14:43 Jose Rote: in VA: Webb 49.5, Allen 49.4, Green party: 00.1

14:43 Jose Rote: senate

14:43 Ruby Glitter: Oh. I didn't even know abou tthat!

14:44 Yaakov Sputnik: I think it's a little harsh to blame that Green 00.1

14:44 Yaakov Sputnik: for anything that might or might not happen

14:44 Jose Rote: yes there are 7k votes seperating Webb and Allen, and the Green party had 27k

14:44 Ruby Glitter: For sure. Dems can't blame other parties for actually talking to their base when they ignore them.

14:44 Jose Rote: worse, she threatened to push her votes to the GOP (!) if they would build a train in VA

14:44 Drew Frobozz: I'm VERY concerned about Green Party candidates as spoilers, even though I support many of their policies and would like to see them empowered nationally.

14:45 Jose Rote: 00.1% is not a base

14:45 Yaakov Sputnik: It's a Green base

14:45 Drew Frobozz: And I do hold Nader responsible in part for Gore's "loss" in 2000.

14:45 Old McDunnough: What was the caliber of the person running under the Green banner? I don't like faulting such support if they believe in the candidate.

14:45 Jose Rote: we need to set up institutions that allow for third parties, like fusion voting

14:45 Yaakov Sputnik: I think identifying Greens as "spoilers" is exactly the sort of thing the Dems should not be doing

14:46 Jose Rote: third parties cannot win under current US political structure

14:46 Old McDunnough: I consider myself Progressive. I don't consider myself Democrat. Not since the slide to the right after Dukakis

14:46 Gillux Geer: From a foreigner (and environmentalist) perspective, this says a lot about how the environmental issues are dealt by the left in the US

14:46 Old McDunnough: Then that structure needs to change

14:46 Yaakov Sputnik: It's inherently defeatist... and is just symptomatic of how the US is uncomfortable with more the 2 parties

14:46 Jose Rote: fusion voting is one answer

14:46 Jose Rote: yes

14:46 Old McDunnough: yes

14:46 Drew Frobozz: Runoff voting?

14:46 Old McDunnough: yes

14:46 Ruby Glitter: well, I blame Gore for losing!

14:46 Old McDunnough: And Kerry for running

14:46 Drew Frobozz: Didn't lose, but anyway...

14:47 Yaakov Sputnik: Both excellent points

14:47 Rik Riel: electoral reform is a central part of the way forward

14:47 Little Oto: can someone fill me in on fusion voting?

14:47 Jose Rote: yes, if others want

14:47 Drew Frobozz: I do blame Democratic voters and media for rushing to annoint Kerry in 2004 as the nominee so quickly after Dean imploded

14:47 Ruby Glitter: I agree on fusion, Jose.

14:47 Yaakov Sputnik: I just think that we mustn't forget that for many on the real left, the Dems are far, far to the right of where they are comfortable... yet there's a sense in the Dems that lefties need to come when called

14:48 Jose Rote: fusion voting allows for multiple parties to sponser the same canidate

14:48 Jose Rote: like this: Bush (R) Bush (L) Kerry (D) Kerry (G)

14:48 Yaakov Sputnik: By that I mean the DNC

14:48 Jose Rote: so you can vote for bush as a libertarian, or as GOP

14:48 Jose Rote: this allows for Bush to know which party is valuable to him

14:48 Old McDunnough: I voted for Barbara Lee in 2004. Even knowing unofficial write-ins in Indiana don't count. I couldn't bring myself to vote for anyone on the ballot, but I really wanted to vote.

14:48 Drew Frobozz: another great topic for a session: voting reform-- what's being tried locally, what else has been proposed, how to actually move towards getting it implemented, etc.

14:48 Jose Rote: that is one way we can *sneak* third parties in

14:48 Jose Rote: so they can gain strength, without spoiling

14:49 Little Oto: very interesting

14:49 Drew Frobozz: who wants to organize that one for later in RootsCamp?

14:49 Jose Rote: however very few states allow it

14:49 Jose Rote: we are using in SC

14:49 Yaakov Sputnik: I almost voted Socialist Workers write-in here in GA for governor, until I found out that they were pro North Korea, lol

14:49 Old McDunnough: With runnoff voting, you basically rank order the candidates

14:49 Jose Rote: does any where allow runoff voting?

14:49 Yaakov Sputnik: runoff is great as it doesnt require constitutional change, just local ballot law change

14:49 Ruby Glitter: IRV would be good for national elections.

14:49 Drew Frobozz: instant-runoff voting here in San Francisco for local elections has been very successful

14:49 Jose Rote: wow!

14:49 Old McDunnough: I thought Oregon had used it as well

14:49 Yaakov Sputnik: so is much more feasible than, say, changing the US to proportional representation

14:50 Ruby Glitter: Jose, we actuall have some IRV in NC.

14:50 Yaakov Sputnik: you do?

14:50 Jose Rote: I didn't know that

14:50 Yaakov Sputnik: WHERE?

14:50 Yaakov Sputnik: Where in NC, I mean?

14:50 Ruby Glitter: It was just permitted byt he gen'l assembly, don't kwo if anyone is using it yet.

14:50 Yaakov Sputnik: fab

14:50 Gillux Geer: Folks, thanks for letting me attend. Almost midnight in the old world. Bye to all.

14:50 Yaakov Sputnik: bye!

14:50 Drew Frobozz: other items to discuss in a session along these lines are why the heck we have a SINGLE day for voting when there is so much potential for problems, etc.

14:50 Jose Rote: bye

14:50 Drew Frobozz: thank you Gillux!

14:50 Ruby Glitter: Thanks for coming Gillo.

14:50 Little Oto: bye Gillux

14:50 Ruby Glitter: hope ot see you here again!

14:50 Drew Frobozz: please post to the wiki...

14:50 Rik Riel: thanks for attending gillux

14:50 Jose Rote: no early voting in CA?

14:50 Drew Frobozz: and come join us again tomorrow 1pm PST

14:50 Yaakov Sputnik: add to that making election day a federal holiday and nationalizing the electoral process, lol

14:51 Gillux Geer: Drew: done already.

14:51 Drew Frobozz: there is. and we have permenant absentee voting even if you live here.

14:51 Rik Riel: oh and electronic voting and open source / closed source software

14:51 Drew Frobozz: but it's the exception not the rule.

14:51 Rik Riel: very important topic

14:51 Drew Frobozz: thanks Gillux

14:51 Drew Frobozz: yes voting machines and voting fraud could be another entire session

14:51 Drew Frobozz: or part of the same session.

14:51 Drew Frobozz: who wants to organize a session on all this?

14:52 Drew Frobozz: we can get some GREAT speakers.

14:52 Jimbo Perhaps is Online

14:52 Rik Riel: Yeah, CPSR, EPIC, and others have done great work o this.

14:52 Drew Frobozz: volunteers? or do we have to use blackmail?

14:53 Drew Frobozz: Little....? ;)

14:53 Rik Riel: not my gig, sorry.

14:53 Drew Frobozz: Yaakov?

14:53 Little Oto: I sould be happy to, but I'm not sure I'm very well-suited to it

14:53 Yaakov Sputnik: sorry, I'll have to pass

14:53 Old McDunnough: I'm very hesitant to be anything more than a stumbling IM-er in this environment

14:53 Little Oto: organizing, that is

14:53 Drew Frobozz: heh. this isn't about organizing IN SL

14:54 Drew Frobozz: it's more about planning a sessions content and recruiting speakers.

14:54 Drew Frobozz: you dont' have to present-- just sit there and listen once the session is happening.

14:54 Drew Frobozz: poijnt is to do the pre-planning to get it to happen

14:54 Drew Frobozz: just to be clear...

14:54 Drew Frobozz: or other suggestions of people who aren't here who would like to organize something like that?

14:55 Rik Riel: I can reach out to CPSR and epic to try and get someone

14:55 Old McDunnough: I could probably help someone else on the wiki, but I have a RL RootsCamp I'm basically planning on my own here in Bloomington. Sorry.

14:55 Drew Frobozz: ok thanks Rik.

14:55 Rik Riel: is that more interesting than a session on machinima or non-profits and political organizing?

14:55 Little Oto: I could be the point-person, as long as others will chime in with their speaker suggestions

14:55 Drew Frobozz: well, it's all interesting.

14:56 Little Oto: if that's helpful

14:56 Drew Frobozz: great Oto

14:56 Drew Frobozz: point would be to get someone recruited to head it up

14:56 Drew Frobozz: so if you can play point, and get suggestions from Rik and the rest of us

14:56 Rik Riel: ok

14:56 Drew Frobozz: then we can all work together to make it happen, just with your urging.

14:56 Little Oto: sure, that sounds fine

14:57 Drew Frobozz: Thank you Oto. Open invitation to yell at me for help/support. Rik-- would love it if you would pick the session MOST interesting to YOU and for you to be the speaker for it..

14:57 Drew Frobozz: you have a very broad and deep background...

14:58 Drew Frobozz: Oto--- are you comfy with using/editing the wiki?

14:58 Yaakov Sputnik: On that note, real life calls..... thanks for having me, everyone.... It's great meeting you all!

14:58 Old McDunnough: It's 6p and nearly time to catch a bus here. I think this was a great idea, and I hope more and more people come as the week progresses. Gl everyone

14:58 Little Oto: sure, no prob there

14:58 Drew Frobozz: thank you Yakov!

14:58 Drew Frobozz: everyone please join the "SL Netroots" group here so we can stay in touch

14:58 Drew Frobozz: and easily communicate updates...

14:58 Yaakov Sputnik: Bye everyone!

14:59 Ruby Glitter: Also, I'd liek to propose that we have an election discussion tomorrow, since we didn'tget to cover it much today.

14:59 Drew Frobozz: sounds good

14:59 Drew Frobozz: would you want to lead it? and/or recuit a pundit to lead it? ;)

15:00 Rik Riel: I'll get the word out from my end

15:00 Drew Frobozz: a blogger personality might be good....

15:00 Drew Frobozz: thanks Rik.

15:00 Ruby Glitter: I will. I really just want to do what we talked about today - each person take turns sharing theor local races.

15:00 Drew Frobozz: I was going to (and will) suggest to Old that we have a very simple session on "Offline RootsCamps"...

15:00 Little Oto: ya, I think that's a good idea Ruby

15:00 Ruby Glitter: Good idea.

15:00 Drew Frobozz: get all the people planning to attend offline RootsCamps in here to pre-plan.

15:00 Drew Frobozz: I'll ping him...

15:01 Drew Frobozz: Ok it's 3pm folks... End of formal RootsCampSL Day1!

15:01 Jose Rote: congrats!

15:01 Drew Frobozz: This has been fantastic thanks to you all.

15:01 Ruby Glitter: Thanks for coming, everyone!

15:01 Little Oto: yay!