13:06 Ruby Glitter: Drew and I are the organizers of RoootsCamp.

13:06 Ruby Glitter: Please ask us questions any time!

13:06 RiverSong Garden is Offline

13:06 Ruby Glitter: I'll give a quick over view of what the heck this is, and teh we can do introductions, OK?

13:06 RiverSong Garden is Online

13:07 Trevor Steptoe: Ok

13:07 Ruby Glitter: First thing, this event is an "unconference" which means it is created by the participants.

13:08 Ruby Glitter: I suggested a topic today (because we didn't finish it yesterday), but anyone can propose topics and schedule sessions at rootscampsl.org

13:09 Ruby Glitter: And sorry of this is repetitive, but RootsCamp is an opportunity for prgressives to get together to discuss the results of the 2006 election and what comes next.

13:09 Ruby Glitter: Do you want more detail/background/

13:10 Ruby Glitter: that wousl supposed ot end w/ a "?"

13:10 Ruby Glitter: sorry, I'll type slower. :-)

13:10 Ruby Glitter: Welcome, Lola.

13:10 Lola Namanari: Hi, nice to meet you all.

13:11 Ruby Glitter: Welcome to RootsCamp, we're just starting.

13:11 Lola Namanari: Thank you.

13:11 Trevor Steptoe: Is there a defined goal for this session?

13:12 Trevor Steptoe: (not that there needs to be one)

13:12 Ruby Glitter: Yes, out topic today is to share experiences and lessons leanred from this year's election. especially from state and local races since we are from differentplaces.

13:12 Ruby Glitter: We started to do this yesterday, and it was so interesting that we didn't getthrough many sates. :-)

13:12 Ruby Glitter: Hi Rain.

13:13 Rain Soothsayer: hi!

13:13 Ruby Glitter: So that was a good segue into introductions.

13:14 Ruby Glitter: But first, dos everyoen agree to the chat being logged and pictures being taken to post online?

13:14 Nobody Fugazi: hi Rik

13:14 Ruby Glitter: Hi, Rik!

13:14 Rik Riel nods

13:14 Rik Riel: hi all.

13:14 Rain Soothsayer: sure!

13:14 Rain Soothsayer: Hi Rik

13:14 Rik Riel: can't stay long, just wanted to see who showed up

13:14 Aldon Huffhines: Fine with me

13:14 Ruby Glitter: Can I get a volunteer to be the secretary? Maybe Aldon or Drew?

13:14 Trevor Steptoe: Log away

13:15 Nobody Fugazi: I won't be here the whole time, so I can't.

13:15 Ruby Glitter: Can every one please just say "yes" to the chat log, etc? Thanks.

13:15 Aldon Huffhines: Yes

13:15 Rain Soothsayer: yes

13:15 Lola Namanari: Yes

13:15 Trevor Steptoe: yes

13:15 Jose Rote is Offline

13:15 Ruby Glitter: Nobody?

13:15 Rik Riel: si

13:15 Nobody Fugazi: yes?

13:16 Ruby Glitter: Thanks. ;-)

13:16 Jose Rote is Online

13:16 Ruby Glitter: So, let's go around. Please let us know what political activism you do in RL, and where you are located.

13:16 Ruby Glitter: And whatever else we might find interesting.

13:16 Ruby Glitter: Rik, can you start?

13:16 Rik Riel: sure. I run a program that funds research on the media that helps media activists fight for better control of the media.

13:17 Rik Riel: and I track how virtual wolrds are used as civic spaces for organizing and awareness raising of social issues

13:17 Rik Riel: My main pulpit is rikomatic.com.

13:17 Ruby Glitter: Thanks.

13:17 Ruby Glitter: Rain?

13:18 Rain Soothsayer: y?

13:18 Rain Soothsayer: sorry

13:18 Ruby Glitter: rain, can you introduce yourself next?

13:18 Ruby Glitter: we usually go in order...

13:18 Ruby Glitter: it's easy....

13:18 Rain Soothsayer: I have been involved in Meetups and MoveOn

13:18 Ruby Glitter: Welcome back, Old. We're doing intros.

13:18 Ruby Glitter: Oh, dont' forget to share where y'all are!

13:18 Old McDunnough: Hi. Still having problems sitting.

13:18 Rain Soothsayer: and I have SL for education and community organizing

13:19 Rain Soothsayer: :)

13:19 Rik Riel: I'm in nu yawk, btw.

13:19 Rain Soothsayer: I am in MN

13:19 Ruby Glitter: Great, thanks.

13:19 Ruby Glitter: Lola?

13:19 Lola Namanari: Hello, I'm in Suffolk County, Long Island, new YOrk.

13:19 Lola Namanari: I am embarrassed to admit that I haven't really done much politically.

13:20 Rik Riel: ...yet

13:20 Aldon Huffhines: It is a great time tostart

13:20 Lola Namanari: My main outlet is to read Daily Kos every day. THank you Rik!

13:20 Ruby Glitter: It's never too late to start. :)

13:20 Lola Namanari: In Suffolk County, I've found, when I want to volunteer to help the Deomcratic Party, you can't find who to approach to do so.

13:20 Lola Namanari: And when you get a phone number, you don't get a call back.

13:21 Ruby Glitter: Hmm. let's talk about that we discuss our local races.

13:21 Lola Namanari: This is an area that must be improved, for we all have heard how well the Republicans handle volunteering.

13:21 Ruby Glitter: Aldon?

13:21 Aldon Huffhines: I'm Aldon Hynes from CT. Old Deaniac techie, Technology Coordinator for the Lamont campaign

13:21 Ruby Glitter: Lola, can you hold on We're just doing introductions.

13:22 Ruby Glitter: URL, Aldon?

13:22 Ruby Glitter: OK, Nobody, go ahead.

13:22 Aldon Huffhines: Well, my regular site is down http://www.orient-lodge.com

13:22 Ruby Glitter: (Y'all don't have to wait for me, I think you get how this works.)

13:22 Aldon Huffhines: But I also write at Greater Democracy http://www.greaterdemocracy.org

13:23 Nobody Fugazi: Disgruntled global citizen of 2 geopolitical areas - United States and Trinidad and Tobago - presently residing in San Fernando, Trinidad and Tobago.

13:23 Nobody Fugazi: Name: Taran Rampersad, main site: KnowProSE.com

13:24 Drew Frobozz: does Nobody have hthe prize for furthest travelled then?

13:24 Drew Frobozz: Krono is in Madrid but isn't here...

13:24 Nobody Fugazi: Affiliations: MobileActive.org, CARDICIS.org, FUNREDES.org, DigitalDivide.net, blah blah blah.

13:24 Rik Riel: nobody also makes very nice shirts

13:24 Nobody Fugazi: Policy related up to the WSIS which has very little bearing here.

13:24 Trevor Steptoe: I've helped a few transportation activist groups with tech setups: wikis, email lists .... I'm experimenting with 3D workspaces for creative and activist groups at ogoglio.com. I'm in Seattle, WA (just moved from SF).

13:25 Ruby Glitter: Thanks Nobody & Trevor.

13:25 Drew Frobozz: I'm Andrew Hoppin-- CivicSpace, Goodstorm, and now NASA (trying to get them to do all their software development open-source and transform their culture). Formerly the Draft Clark organizer for New York and in the IT Dept for his Presidential campaign.

13:25 Drew Frobozz: Based in SF w/ about 1/3 time in New York

13:26 Old McDunnough: Kevin Makice. I'm a PhD student in Informatics at Indiana University. Politically interested for a long time, but no real organizing experience. I'm a midwesterner from Illinois and now Indiana.

13:26 Joy Link is Online

13:26 Jose Rote: hi Nobody

13:26 Old McDunnough: I have a family blog http://www.blogschmog.net/blog/ where my wife and I post things about our kids and my coursework

13:27 Old McDunnough: I'm very interested in learning how people got over the hump of inactivity to activity

13:27 Drew Frobozz: and Old, you're running an offline RootsCamp in Indiana soon, yes?

13:27 RiverSong Garden is Offline

13:27 Old McDunnough: Bloomington. Next Friday and Saturday.

13:27 Ruby Glitter: Awesome.

13:28 Drew Frobozz: great. We're running RootsCamp San Francisco this weekend, so anyone local please come

13:28 Ruby Glitter: Jose, everyone else just finished introducing themsleves. Please let us know what political activism you do in RL, and where you are located.

13:28 Jose Rote: ok

13:28 Jose Rote: I am an organizer with ACORN, a group of working class families, I like to work on political campaigns too

13:29 Ruby Glitter: And you live near Charlotte?

13:29 Jose Rote: no I am in Raleigh NC, and I go to Charlotte NC, and Richmond, VA often

13:29 Ruby Glitter: Cool.

13:29 Drew Frobozz: (note to self) I'd really love to have a map of where everyone is from that's here...

13:29 Teck Birks: i just cam from jacksonville nc camplejeune

13:29 Ruby Glitter: Welcome, teck.

13:30 Jose Rote: btw Allen just conceded his Senate seat to Jim Webb (D)

13:30 Ruby Glitter: An Svoboda.

13:30 Teck Birks: hi rudy

13:30 Rik Riel: WOOT!!!!!

13:30 Drew Frobozz: WOOHOO!

13:30 Trevor Steptoe: Sweet.

13:30 Rain Soothsayer: heheh

13:30 Teck Birks: i put my name on the website

13:30 Rain Soothsayer: !

13:30 Teck Birks: nice out fit rudy

13:30 Ruby Glitter: Please introduce yourselves, esp. your RL or onlien political activism, teck & Svoboda.

13:30 Ruby Glitter: Also, where are you located?

13:31 Teck Birks: im in sheridan colorado

13:31 Ruby Glitter: Oh, good!

13:31 Svoboda Garsztka: Well, I'm a RL member of ACORN, but I don't give my RL name out in SL.

13:31 RiverSong Garden is Online

13:31 Teck Birks: i be live in the right to bare arms and military intrest other than that im pro choice

13:31 Ruby Glitter: That's fine, Svoboda. Do you mind telling us what state you are from and about yourself generally?

13:31 Jose Rote: where are you from Svoboda?

13:32 Svoboda Garsztka: You like naked weapons, do you?

13:32 Svoboda Garsztka: I'm from Arizona.

13:32 Ruby Glitter: Hey, are you guys here for RootsCamp or somethign else? ;-)

13:32 Teck Birks: i love weapons it my profesion

13:32 Teck Birks: roots camp

13:32 Svoboda Garsztka: I work for the Mesa, AZ ACORN part time.

13:32 Ruby Glitter: Nothign wrong w/ being naked, we already went over that.

13:32 Svoboda Garsztka: Who's naked?

13:33 Ruby Glitter: Drew, can you be the secretary today?

13:33 Drew Frobozz: will do

13:33 Drew Frobozz: want me to go over guidelines briefly?

13:33 Ruby Glitter: So folks, we have a process, which you can read about by touching our logo to my left.

13:33 Ruby Glitter: Yes, that woudl be great.

13:33 Drew Frobozz: so touching logo is the easiest, but in brief:

13:34 Drew Frobozz: We have a 1-2pm SLT and a 2-3pm SLT session each day through next Tuesday

13:34 Drew Frobozz: We have a secretary each time

13:34 Drew Frobozz: (Me for today)

13:34 Drew Frobozz: and I make sure everyone says "yes" to chatlogging so that we can "record" the chat and publish it

13:34 Jose Rote: yes

13:35 Drew Frobozz: because part of the point is to be able to create knowledge here that we can share

13:35 Rain Soothsayer:

13:35 Old McDunnough: yes

13:35 Drew Frobozz: can everyone say "yes" to chatlogging now please?

13:35 Lola Namanari: Yes

13:35 Rain Soothsayer: yes

13:35 Trevor Steptoe: yes

13:35 Teck Birks: yes

13:35 Aldon Huffhines: yes

13:35 Drew Frobozz: and that includes snapshot photos that I may take too

13:35 Drew Frobozz: :)

13:35 Ruby Glitter: And also to havingpictures taken. We post it on Flickr later.

13:36 Drew Frobozz: so other guidelines-- we do intros first as we just did

13:36 Drew Frobozz: and then the convener (Ruby) will introduce the topic

13:36 Drew Frobozz: afterwards I post the chatlog

13:36 Drew Frobozz: and I and anyone who wants to can edit it into a nice "product" that we put online

13:36 Drew Frobozz: we edit it together through a wiki

13:37 Teck Birks: kool

13:37 Drew Frobozz: here's yesterdays: https://rootscamp.pbwiki.com/SLDay1Report

13:37 Drew Frobozz: ok let's roll! :)

13:37 Ruby Glitter: I expect ew'll go until about 3pm today, but it's all flexible.

13:37 Drew Frobozz: and you can drop in here 24/7 to find other folks with whom to scratch your political chat itch... ;)

13:37 Ruby Glitter: So we have peopel here from CA, MV, IN, NC, NY, CT, AZ, CO, and Trinidad & Tobago! Did I forget any place?

13:38 Trevor Steptoe: WA

13:38 Rain Soothsayer: MN

13:38 Ruby Glitter: What I'd like to do is go around and share your experiences and lesson learned from races that were in your state (or that you were sorking on, or watching closely).

13:38 Teck Birks: well im from TN but im going to collage here in CO

13:39 Ruby Glitter: Great.

13:39 Teck Birks: that sucks for him

13:39 Ruby Glitter: I would liek to start with Jose, beacuse he has worked on some very interesting races.

13:39 Ruby Glitter: And then perhaps we can go around.

13:39 Ruby Glitter: Zebediah, can yo introduce yourself?

13:39 Jose Rote: ok, well I worked on 3 races this season

13:39 Ruby Glitter: Welcome, Soren.

13:40 Jose Rote: I tried to help Kissel win in Charlotte

13:40 Soren Olafson: hello. sorry i'm late...

13:40 Zebediah Godwin: Sure. I'm Zebediah Godwin, from Durham NC. Didn't work directly on any races, but was watching the local DA race closely, as was most of the city.

13:40 Ruby Glitter: Well hello, neighbor! Soren can you introduce yourself?

13:41 Jose Rote: now we got the whole triangle here

13:41 Soren Olafson: howdy. My RL name is steve olson... hi ruby! Ihave worked for the DCCC and currently work for Planned Parenthood. I was just out in Ohio with America Votes.

13:41 Ruby Glitter: :)

13:41 Ruby Glitter: yay. Hi Steve,

13:42 Ruby Glitter: OK, sorry, go ahead Jose.

13:42 Jose Rote: ok

13:42 Jose Rote: I did 3 races

13:42 Jose Rote: Kissell in Charlotte, NC

13:42 Jose Rote: Webb for Senate in VA

13:42 Jose Rote: and the Democratic Primary in Maryland (Al Wynn vs Donna Edwards)

13:42 Jose Rote: the thing that is most interesting is that all of these races were 50/50 close

13:42 Trevor Steptoe: Wow. Why aren't you out partying with the Webb campaigners?

13:42 Jose Rote: each one had hundreds of voters deciding the election

13:43 Ruby Glitter: I know, Trevor!

13:43 Jose Rote: Kissell in Charlotte will fail to get rid of Robin Hayes by 200(!) votes

13:43 Jose Rote: Webb won by 7000, with 2 million cast!

13:43 Jose Rote: and Donna Edwards failed to win the Democratic primary by 800

13:44 Ruby Glitter: How do you think Webb won?

13:44 Ruby Glitter: what did he do right?

13:44 Ruby Glitter: Ro did Sen. macaca just do that to himself?

13:44 Jose Rote: Webb is a conservative Democrat, and he managed to keep to the middle road

13:45 Jose Rote: criticizing Iraq policy with the credentials of a military man

13:45 Svoboda Garsztka: The middle has been working well for all parties lately.

13:45 Jose Rote: without making himself seem radical by saying "bring them home NOW"

13:45 Ruby Glitter: How about Kissell, he came really close!

13:45 Jose Rote: Donna Edwards was on the progressive Left, and she lost to an establishment politician

13:45 Ruby Glitter: How did he challenge the incumbent?

13:46 Teck Birks: why would any one want to bring the troops home anyways

13:46 Jose Rote: I think again by being steady and strong, without a lot of attack ads, or overly aggressive posturing

13:47 Jose Rote: Allen ran tons of nasty ads

13:47 Jose Rote: I think Webb did one anti-ad on TV

13:47 Ruby Glitter: Did they do al ot of grassroots campaigning? Door-to-door, online?

13:47 Mobile Widget: no attack ads was key in some of the campains that won here in MN

13:47 Ruby Glitter: BTW, welcome Mobile.

13:47 Mobile Widget: ty

13:47 Jose Rote: the Webb campaing was traditional, I think too traditional

13:47 Jose Rote: Kissell, becuase he had NO funding

13:47 Jose Rote: has to be more inventive

13:48 Ruby Glitter: Can you please agree to be photographed and chatlogged, Mobile?

13:48 Mobile Widget: yes on all counts

13:48 Mobile Widget: esp photos of my hat are okay :)

13:48 Ruby Glitter: Thx.

13:48 Jose Rote: he started getting press on doing stuff like buying people gas, and using props

13:48 Krono Pro is Offline

13:48 Guest Book: Talk to me! Say 'gbhelp' for a list of commands.

13:48 Jose Rote: and really calling out Hayes on Economic issues

13:48 Krono Pro is Online

13:48 Jose Rote: the vast majority of Republican votes are Economically progressive

13:49 Jose Rote: GOP votes support raising the minimum wage almost at the same rate as Dems

13:49 Jose Rote: *voters

13:49 Ruby Glitter: Cool.

13:49 Jose Rote: so Dems can make alot of hay on domestic issues, if we can get the media to pick them up

13:49 Ruby Glitter: Good point.

13:50 Jose Rote: who else did work recently?

13:50 Jose Rote: what are other people doing?

13:50 Ruby Glitter: while we're on NC....

13:51 Mobile Widget: this election, I really just had some great time discussing with people the election process...

13:51 Mobile Widget: a big thing we got into was voting conscience and for the best person for the job

13:51 Ruby Glitter: Cool.

13:51 Mobile Widget: over the idea of insuring agst more republicans

13:51 Mobile Widget: it was interesting

13:52 Ruby Glitter: What campaigns we you supporting?

13:52 Mobile Widget: people seem to be investors of their vote more

13:52 Mobile Widget: I was supporting the Independence folks

13:52 Ruby Glitter: Hi Joy!

13:52 Mobile Widget:

13:52 Joy Link: hi ruby

13:52 Ruby Glitter: Me too, Mobile.

13:53 Ruby Glitter: Did any ofyour candidates win?

13:53 Mobile Widget: heh

13:53 Mobile Widget: um... we got a 7% on the Governor's election

13:53 Ruby Glitter: Thats good for an independent!

13:53 Trevor Steptoe: It was sad to see all of the media maps include indie candidates in with the Democrats when totaling seat wins.

13:53 Ruby Glitter: Were those Greens?

13:53 Mobile Widget: and that puts em in the game for next time and funding I believe

13:54 Mobile Widget: They are called the IP here

13:54 Mobile Widget: teh Independence Party

13:54 Ruby Glitter: Oh, that's different than the Green Party.

13:54 Svoboda Garsztka: And not the same as running as an independent, is it?

13:54 Mobile Widget: Jesse Ventura was one once I believe after he left the Ross Perot clan

13:54 Mobile Widget: not quite

13:54 Mobile Widget: I can look up a url

13:55 Mobile Widget: yes

13:55 Ruby Glitter: Welcome Sin amd Marc. Can you please introduce yourselves? Political activities and location?

13:55 Mobile Widget: I am green by nature - but the fight for a 3rd party was with them. :)

13:55 Marc Thurston: Ladies first

13:55 Sin Speculaas: im sin ..from usa ..im a Baha'i

13:56 Marc Thurston: Im Marc from the Netherlands and not very political involved

13:56 Ruby Glitter: OK, well I hope you want to talk about US poltiics... ;-)

13:56 Drew Frobozz: I know lots of Baha'i Sin Speculas-- is there an active group in Second Life?

13:56 Marc Thurston: But we have elections on the 21st

13:56 Sin Speculaas: not that i know of drew

13:57 Ruby Glitter: Marc & Sin, do you both agree to being chat logged and photo'ed?

13:57 Marc Thurston: Im glad to see the democrats win means America is waking up

13:57 Mobile Widget: It would be welcomed to hear the views of someone not sitting in the US for sure!

13:57 Marc Thurston: I dont mind

13:57 Sin Speculaas: hmm what for

13:57 Ruby Glitter: OK, who else woudl liek to tell us abou tthe election in their state?

13:57 Mobile Widget: yeah - lots of crossover from Republicans for sure - when you look at the numbers

13:58 Drew Frobozz: we publish the transcript of this session online-- part of the point of this is to gather knowledge that our communities can benefit from

13:58 Sin Speculaas: im sorry im non political

13:58 Sin Speculaas: nice to meet u all tho

13:58 Svoboda Garsztka: We weren't all that involved in elections here.

13:58 Ruby Glitter: OK, well this is a gathering for progressive actovosts and supporters to tal about the election.

13:59 Svoboda Garsztka: I think there was a flier, but that's all. We concentrated on the initiatives and voter registration.

13:59 Ruby Glitter: I was going to add one in NC, after Jose...

13:59 Svoboda Garsztka: Our strategy was to register as many poor voters as possible.

13:59 Ruby Glitter: Cool, Svoboda.

13:59 Trevor Steptoe: I'm just getting my feet under me since moving to Seattle. I was hoping someone here would point me towards good WA groups.

13:59 Aldon Huffhines is Offline

13:59 Ruby Glitter: Zebediah, did you work on any campaigns in NC?

14:00 Krono Pro is Offline

14:00 Zebediah Godwin: Not directly, no. My local congressman was in a very secure seat, and didn't need a ,ot of campaign help this time. But as I said, I was following the local DA race closely, since it was very high-profile

14:01 Ruby Glitter: yes, and Mike Nofing (the incumbent) won.

14:01 Ruby Glitter: for folks who don't know this was political fall out from the Duke rape case.

14:01 Ruby Glitter: er, Nifong.

14:01 Zebediah Godwin: Yes, he did. The whole campaign was a referendum on him and his handling of the Duke Lacrosse case.

14:01 Ruby Glitter: personally, I was glad he won.

14:02 Hey there!

If you get this message, I am probably driving for

MO's Mainland Taxi! -> Join the group and get a FREE ride! :)

(I will IM ya back... aggh... a cabbie's work is never done!)

14:02 Ruby Glitter: I felt like the opposition was defending the lacrosee player.

14:02 Zebediah Godwin: Me too, even though NOBODY is happy with his handling of that case, no matter whom they believe

14:02 Joy Link: i'm sorry i have to go again : ( wanted to stop in to see if anyone was talking about allen's concession in VA

14:02 Ruby Glitter: yeah, he did fumble.

14:02 Joy Link: i will be back later tonight

14:02 Ruby Glitter: he's not used to the publicity.

14:02 Drew Frobozz: I'd like to know what people found most lacking or most frustrating in their local poliical work-- what can we improve upon for next time, and how, if we get an early start NOW?

14:02 Ruby Glitter: OK, Joy.

14:02 Ruby Glitter: Well actually that ties into my story...

14:03 Ruby Glitter: I was helping a judicial candidate hwo may have lost by *70* votes!

14:03 Zebediah Godwin: But, overall, he's been a decent DA. And he had the support of the African-American community, which is a huge factor in Durham politics

14:03 Ruby Glitter: yes, it is.

14:03 Joy Link is Offline

14:03 Trevor Steptoe: 70!

14:03 Zebediah Godwin: Everything in Durham politics is racially charged, alas.

14:03 Jose Rote: I would like to know how we can prevent a lot of conflict in the Dem primary for president, I want Dems to be unified early, without the resentment that Kerry left some people with

14:04 Ruby Glitter: Yeah. .01% of the vote. But there are still proviosional ballots and will probably be a recount.

14:04 Ruby Glitter: jose, if you don't mind I;d like to save that fo ranother session.

14:04 Jose Rote: :) sorry

14:04 Soren Olafson: i would love to hear more about what kinds of list-building you do in local race like that... in terms of id'ing and GOTVing supporters.

14:04 Svoboda Garsztka: In AZ, a race that close requires a mandatory recount.

14:04 Ruby Glitter: today we're on this year, next session can be on strategy....

14:04 Drew Frobozz: I'm really interested in that too though Jose... so let's make sure to do that later...

14:04 Jose Rote: k

14:05 Ruby Glitter: Welcome, moo. Are you here for RootsCamp?

14:05 Ruby Glitter: Yes, in fact we could transition to that as a new topic *now*. Do folks want to keep talking about local races?

14:05 moo Money: Ah, yes. Rik Riel contacted me about machinima with a message, so I'm scoping out the scenery.

14:06 Ruby Glitter: Great. Do you agree to be chat logged and photographed, moo?

14:06 moo Money: I do.

14:06 Ruby Glitter: Thanks.

14:06 Zebediah Godwin: BTW, don't think I said it earlier - I do agree to be logged and photographed too

14:06 Ruby Glitter: Oh thank you!

14:06 Ruby Glitter: So folks.. process. Keep going or change topic?

14:06 Soren Olafson: i'm flexible. :)

14:07 Ruby Glitter: persnally I'mall abou tthe local, but I kow not everyone is the same as me! (fortunately)

14:07 Drew Frobozz: I'm kind of all about the macro! ;)

14:07 Zebediah Godwin: I'm fine with tallking about local politics, since I've done some in prior years

14:07 Drew Frobozz: so we have all the bases covered. :)

14:07 Ruby Glitter: Stragely I am both, dpendin on the situation. But i am a an "all politics is local" kinds girl.

14:08 Drew Frobozz: I think we're seeing more than ever that they're linked...

14:08 Ruby Glitter: Quite true.

14:08 Ruby Glitter: So folks, you may not have a big story to tell, but

14:08 Jose Rote: I think that is true, I think a great way to start people thinking and talking political is to get them talking about their neighborhoods

14:08 Ruby Glitter: I woudl liek to knwo how yor state went down.

14:08 Trevor Steptoe: If we're still talking about this election, what did people see in terms of new media coverage effects?

14:08 Ruby Glitter: Did you ahev any big visotires on the left?

14:08 Jose Rote: I thought it was mostly fair

14:08 Ruby Glitter: Good question, trevor.

14:08 Jose Rote: the TV coverage

14:09 Ruby Glitter: I think blogs have been helping to keep the MSM honest.

14:09 Jose Rote: the papers in VA and NC are pretty biased

14:09 Ruby Glitter: yes, but they are increasingly listenign to blogs, Jose.

14:09 Jose Rote: are there stats on that? how do we know it's not just hype

14:09 Ruby Glitter: The Greensboro paper is quite bloggy, and the raleigh News 7 Observer is trying *but failing so far)

14:09 Trevor Steptoe: I saw very little effect of Seattle bloggers/citizen journo's on local coverage or events.

14:09 Zebediah Godwin: I get more info from blogs than from my local papers.

14:10 Trevor Steptoe: But (as I said) I'm new here.

14:10 Zebediah Godwin: NC is an interesting case. Largely conservative, but with such a big military presence the war is a huge issue here

14:10 Old McDunnough: Could someone tell me more about the Seattle Congressional candidate Linnea? She was running against a well-established incumbent (McDermott?)

14:10 Old McDunnough: I heard that campaign was a bit unconventional

14:11 Ruby Glitter: There was a poll about a month ago shoeing the south turning against the war because we pay such a high toll for it, Zebediah.

14:11 You have offered friendship to Soren Olafson

14:11 You have offered friendship to Zebediah Godwin

14:11 Soren Olafson: why does the south want the terrorists to win?

14:11 Soren Olafson: :)

14:11 Ruby Glitter: :P

14:11 Zebediah Godwin is Online

14:11 Zebediah Godwin: exactly. People in Fayetteville and Jacksonville know the real cost.

14:12 Ruby Glitter: Yes.

14:12 Jose Rote: NC is interesting too because it is a populist state, I think it will be the first in the South to turn blue

14:12 Ruby Glitter: Even her in Chapel hill I have a friend wqho was wounded in Iraq. Fortunately haven't lost anyone in my iddeiate circle.

14:12 Soren Olafson: someone should explain that to the 101st fighting keyboarders (like in MN)

14:12 Drew Frobozz: really wow...

14:12 Drew Frobozz: (Blue)

14:12 Ruby Glitter: er, IMMediate.

14:12 Ruby Glitter: Yep.

14:13 Zebediah Godwin: If Edwards runs for president again, NC will vote for him

14:13 Drew Frobozz: Will a regional candidate running for President (Edwards) impact that shift to Blue, Jose?

14:13 Ruby Glitter: he can.

14:13 Drew Frobozz: positively or negatively?

14:13 Ruby Glitter: Edwards kind of stepped on us here in NC, but he's winning a lot of people back.

14:13 Jose Rote: yeah, people STILL love Carter (and he is largely viewed as failed president)

14:13 Drew Frobozz: interesting

14:14 Jose Rote: I think he stepped on the politicos, I don't think the people will hold that against him

14:14 Jose Rote: we came late to help us raise our minimum wage

14:14 Svoboda Garsztka: Carter may have failed as a president, but he's a great diplomat.

14:14 Mobile Widget: Everyone seen Edwards podcasts and videoblogs? He seems to be using/learning the tools

14:14 Drew Frobozz: so is the local buzz that he'll be a strong candidate? are people excited about him again?

14:14 Ruby Glitter: Well we worked hard to get a Demo into the Senate and then he abdicated before even serving a whole term. kerry didn't giev up *his* seat to run.

14:14 Soren Olafson: since i am a northerner, is NC a big party-machine state?

14:14 Zebediah Godwin: Edwards knows how to speak to people in their own language.

14:15 Drew Frobozz: yes Edwards / One America has been fairly serious about the Netroots

14:15 Zebediah Godwin: NC used to be abig Democratic machine state. Not any more though

14:15 Drew Frobozz: though he didn't show up at YearlyKos while many others did

14:15 Mobile Widget: he seems likeable from here -- and the plain speak is appealig

14:15 Jose Rote: but I don't think that will have an impact of people in NC voting for him or against him

14:15 Ruby Glitter: BTW, I invited Edward's Internet guy to this, but he's travelling.

14:15 Ruby Glitter: I think ti does, Jose.

14:15 Jose Rote: everyone know Mark Warner used Second Life as part of his (now cancelled) bid for president

14:15 Ruby Glitter: Even though "regular peopel" don't read blogs, activists and organizers do,

14:16 Mobile Widget: yeah

14:16 Ruby Glitter: those folks go out and talk to voters.

14:16 Zebediah Godwin: Sorry, have to go/ I'll be back!

14:16 Soren Olafson: and apparently CNN flies them to DC...

14:16 Ruby Glitter: OK, Zebediah.

14:16 Mobile Widget: mmm.. I think the regulars are

14:16 Ruby Glitter: I know!

14:16 Mobile Widget: my brother - who once did not get the internet

14:16 Ruby Glitter: Actually there was a great blogger from Durham there at the CNN thingy - Pam Spaulding.

14:16 Mobile Widget: now got DSL and such

14:16 Mobile Widget: just to be more informed on political issues

14:16 Svoboda Garsztka: Well, I'm afraid I need to get going soon. I have one more class to get to in RL.

14:17 Ruby Glitter: OK, thanks for comign Svoboda. Please come again...

14:17 Trevor Steptoe: When you look at net usage among high school kids, that's when net media gets exciting. When they start voting...

14:17 Drew Frobozz: RootsCamp was blogged yesterday by the guy who brought Warner to SecondLife

14:17 Ruby Glitter: Good point, trevor.

14:18 Trevor Steptoe: Kids graduate from HS with many hours of experience building coalitions in World of Warcraft and other MMOs.

14:18 Ruby Glitter: How about the heartland, Old?

14:18 Trevor Steptoe: If we can figure out how to translate that into activist group building, we're half way to a real democracy.

14:18 Lorelei Junot is Online

14:18 Jose Rote: I agree, that is the promise

14:19 Old McDunnough: I was most concerned with local school board elections. Of the three seats there, only one of my candidates got the call.

14:19 Jose Rote: if we can make it part of the game

14:19 Ruby Glitter: Hmm.

14:19 Old McDunnough: However, there were four contested seats on the Congressional level, and Dems won them all.

14:19 Ruby Glitter: Oh good. Were those pick-ups or were they already Dem?

14:19 Old McDunnough: It is difficult for me to get too excited about Ellsworth, other than the alternative was Hostettler.

14:19 Ruby Glitter: Ah, one of those...

14:19 Old McDunnough: Three were Republican incumbents going down.

14:20 Ruby Glitter: I had the same issue with Heath Schuler, who beat an incumbent Rep.

14:20 Old McDunnough: I was surprised how difficult it was to get meaningful information about positions.

14:20 Old McDunnough: I would like to help create a better social network, which is one of the reasons RootsCamp/unconferences are so appealing.

14:21 Ruby Glitter: Cool.

14:21 Soren Olafson: I find it interesting that issues are now ballot measures, and candidates are just becoming personalities...

14:21 Jose Rote: don't be talking about Heath, we had to bust our asses to get Chuck Taylor out! :)

14:21 Ruby Glitter: I know, Jose. :-)

14:21 Ruby Glitter: I try to keep my mouth shut. I'm still glad he won.

14:21 Drew Frobozz: a little NFL in the DNC ain't a bad thing

14:21 Soren Olafson: we are going to have a tough time keeping the new Dems from screwing over the progressives among us.

14:21 Ruby Glitter: it's just hard to want to work for peopel when you agree with them so little...

14:22 Ruby Glitter: Goog point, Soren.

14:22 Old McDunnough: The MoveOn office was pretty active here. They set up camp and did lots of phone solicitation.

14:22 Ruby Glitter: Hopefully they will appreciate that we held our noses and supported them. :)

14:22 Drew Frobozz: that's a very interesting issue Soren

14:22 Jose Rote: yeah I know, there are cocerns Webb is against Affirm Action (and blacks are his base)

14:22 Trevor Steptoe: Old: It's tough in SL to maintain the network, since people rarely give out their RL names.

14:22 Drew Frobozz: and how to balance fighting for what you believe in within the Party against the greater good of a Party fighting against radical Right-Wingers...

14:23 Soren Olafson: old: was any other group working hard in IN?

14:23 Drew Frobozz: that recalls JOse's question about how we keep from fighting in a destructive way in the next Primary season...

14:23 Old McDunnough: I wasn't aware of it, Soren.

14:23 Drew Frobozz: among Presidential candidates...

14:23 Jose Rote: if we build strong organizations, maybe we can accomplish both at once

14:23 Jose Rote: like if we had strong Unions . . .

14:23 Ruby Glitter: But what if the :greater good" of the party is bad for you values? Are youstill supposed to support the party?

14:24 Old McDunnough: We had a very low-visibility Green party this season, which was really a surprise for me since it was pretty strong just a couple years back.

14:24 Drew Frobozz: that is THE reason that I've focused on infrastructure building.... it helps no matter what

14:24 Drew Frobozz: knowledge sharing... technology platforms... new tools like SL even.

14:24 Old McDunnough: I think they took some flak for one of the Congressional/City Council races by running someone.

14:24 Jose Rote: but let's side step that, and find a way to do both, we need the big tent, but that doesn't mean we can make our side of it more attractive

14:25 Drew Frobozz: I think standing up for what you believe in while still being strategic and respectful of other views is the way. sometimes easier said than done.

14:25 Trevor Steptoe: So, does tomorrow's topic include activist tactical infrastructure?

14:25 Ruby Glitter: It can. ;-)

14:25 Soren Olafson: The Working Families Party in NY is interesting that way... they usually endorse Dems, but will occasionally endorse the GOP, or run their own, if neither are acceptable.

14:25 Ruby Glitter: Actually we already have some stuff scheduled, but we can do that another day.

14:25 Old McDunnough: Trevor: I was thinking of a RL social network for information, supported by some of these tools. There is a lot of local benefit to this kind of gathering (once everyone like me learns how to sit properly)

14:26 Jose Rote: The Working Families party just got a foothold in SC, and, BTW, the Working Families Party is an ACORN initiative

14:26 Drew Frobozz: yes Old...

14:26 Ruby Glitter: Cool, Jose!

14:26 Jose Rote: that the fusion voting I was talking about yesterday

14:26 Drew Frobozz: How can we share local organizing knowledge more effectively with our peers around the country in a more consistent and comprehensive and strategic way

14:26 Trevor Steptoe: Old: Interesting. Thanks for clarifying.

14:26 Drew Frobozz: Oh wait-- that's what we're doing here!!! :)

14:26 Jose Rote: allowing you to vote your values, without spoiling

14:27 Old McDunnough: That's important. (Both of the last two comments)

14:27 Ruby Glitter: I agree Jose.

14:27 Drew Frobozz: it's a big one

14:27 Ruby Glitter: I think we're going to have a session on voting alternatives.

14:27 Jose Rote: the ballot initiatives are another way (maybe)

14:27 Ruby Glitter: Little Oto is working on it.

14:27 Drew Frobozz: any good advocacy organizations working on it nationally?

14:27 Old McDunnough: My concern is this: I'm know what Progressive means to me, but I'm not sure the Democratic Party has the same definition.

14:28 Soren Olafson: i am pretty sure they don't. :)

14:28 Ruby Glitter: Old, I'm pretty sure everyone here doesn't even have the same definition!

14:28 Trevor Steptoe: Old: Or even that the DP has one definition.

14:28 Drew Frobozz: "they" means what?

14:28 Drew Frobozz: Howard Dean?

14:28 Drew Frobozz: The State Party Chairs that elected him?

14:28 Old McDunnough: One of my hopes from my spin on the local RootsCamp is to make sure Republicans, Libertarians, Greens, Democrats and everyone else is there talking.

14:28 Drew Frobozz: The local delegate that elected them?

14:29 Drew Frobozz: delegates*

14:29 Trevor Steptoe: But partial representation is what the party system (and Democracy, actually) brings to the table.

14:29 Old McDunnough: I think there is a lot of embedded tradition that is getting in the way of meaningful conversation, so part of what I hope comes out of this (extended to all RootsCamp) event is some outreach.

14:29 Jose Rote: I for one don't wanto talk about Pro-Choice any more, America is 60% Pro-Choice, we ain't going to lose it, let just keep our mouths shut and change the topic to health care, or woman's reproductive health, when it comes up

14:30 Drew Frobozz: I think the DP is the iterative product of all of our input-- and ideally it WON'T look exactly like I personally would want it to-- because then it would be too narrow and ineffective.

14:30 Ruby Glitter: Good point, Jose.

14:30 Drew Frobozz: what is key to me is to make sure that it IS open to and synthesizing of all our viewpoints

14:30 Drew Frobozz: and that's a partly structural partly political issue

14:30 Old McDunnough: Drew: I would settle for feeling like there's a place under the proverbial tent. Since 2000, I've felt like they pulled the tarp down and left me in the rain.

14:30 Jose Rote: can you talk more about that Drew?

14:31 Ruby Glitter: But 60%+ are against the war too, we still have to make our values into legislative priorities.

14:31 Jose Rote: Ruby: I agree

14:31 Drew Frobozz: Jose: literally the Party Chair is elected by delegates that we elect..

14:31 Drew Frobozz: but few of us participate in those delegate elections

14:31 Soren Olafson: the nice thing about the "parties" is that they are realy goal-oriented (winning) so as long as we show strength in numbers/dollars/votes, they will follow us.

14:32 Drew Frobozz: Dean got it because his grassroots figured out how to organize those local elections

14:32 Drew Frobozz: ideally, all people who care about the DP would get that they have that power and participate

14:32 Drew Frobozz: then another issue is-- does the Party Chair have appropriate power?

14:32 Jose Rote: so do we really need to change the structure, or just get smarter about using it?

14:32 Jose Rote: would you say he has too much?

14:32 Jose Rote: this is new to me

14:32 Drew Frobozz: that could be a reform issue that needs to be advocated about by DP members outside the Beltway

14:33 Drew Frobozz: no not too much

14:33 Drew Frobozz: perhaps too little

14:33 Jose Rote: oh

14:33 Drew Frobozz: it's hard to make the DNC open and accountable for being really smart

14:33 Drew Frobozz: Beltway syndrome.

14:33 Drew Frobozz: I think he's done a decent job

14:33 Drew Frobozz: But I think the DNC really needs to "live" out in the field-- in 50 Stats

14:33 Drew Frobozz: Stats

14:33 Drew Frobozz: States*

14:34 Drew Frobozz: and have decisions make more at the roots

14:34 Jose Rote: I think so too, lets put our money on long term goals

14:34 Soren Olafson: as a former beltway hack, i think that people think Dean is directing policy and picking candidates - but no party chair has that power.

14:34 Drew Frobozz: but that will take figuring out how to agree to work effectively with people who envision a very different DP than others

14:35 Drew Frobozz: inside the Beltway people are pragmatic and compromise, even if it's only to hold on to their own power sometimes

14:35 Drew Frobozz: I'm not sure we always know how to do that out here in the Roots

14:35 Soren Olafson: true. the best way to prove viability is to win.

14:36 Drew Frobozz: so I think we need to learn how to stand up strong for what we believe in, but not at the expense of pragmatism. I love the instant runoff voting, for example, as a strategic way to enable that

14:36 Mobile Widget: the DP has lots riding on some of their philosophy right now it seems. Post election here - they are gonna have to really show that they are what they have been saying

14:36 Mobile Widget: beyond the idea of not a RP

14:36 Drew Frobozz: a question for me now is: now that we're not such a persecuted miority in DC, will we put aside our temporary unity and start fighting with each other?

14:37 Drew Frobozz: which goes back to Jose's original question

14:37 Mobile Widget: hopefully ya keep building

14:37 Jose Rote: one way to do that would be to build trust amoung groups that don't have the same immediate interests, but still work with the same part, we need Gays supporting Unions, and those against the Death penalty backing Environmental causes

14:37 Drew Frobozz: I love that Jose

14:37 Trevor Steptoe: I wonder if the idea of both the Speaker and the President being women will unify or divide the DP?

14:38 Jose Rote: (yeah those were just examples)

14:38 Ruby Glitter: I thin on a personal level. a lot of folks do support the issues o ftheir allies.

14:38 Drew Frobozz: take explicit steps to convene social networks that cross traditional constituency group boundaries.

14:38 Soren Olafson: america votes is an institutional representation of that plan - albeit designed by the ultimate beltway types.

14:38 Old McDunnough: Exactly, Drew. Nice examples, Jose.

14:38 Soren Olafson: they included unions, ACORN, planned parenthood, NARAL, HRC

14:38 Drew Frobozz: True Soren.

14:38 Jose Rote: but there ain't trust amoung the advocates, we all compete for the same funding, and it is an apple of discord

14:39 Ruby Glitter: Its' the *organizations* that don't trust each other, not the advocates.

14:39 Jose Rote: yes

14:39 Drew Frobozz: true

14:39 Drew Frobozz: peer-to-peer is key

14:39 Ruby Glitter: This is why a lot of my work is about connecting peopel, not organizations.

14:39 Mobile Widget: the funding issues should not be on the table when it comes to these things- right Ruby

14:39 Trevor Steptoe: So interorg chats (like this one) is the thing?

14:39 Jose Rote: but what we need is more stronger orgs

14:39 Ruby Glitter: that's what we call "network-centric advocacy"

14:40 Trevor Steptoe: "are the thing", rather.

14:40 Mobile Widget: people to people- right on

14:40 Jose Rote: everything depends on Unity

14:40 Drew Frobozz: people don't need funding or have cause to compete for $ in the same way as organizations, which get an Ego of their own...

14:40 Jose Rote: but with UNITY terrects syndrom

14:40 Old McDunnough: However, it is also a very heavy reliance on organizational identity to establish individual position.

14:40 Old McDunnough: I don't think it should be that way, but that is the way most people start engaging in a political race.

14:40 Drew Frobozz: but we do need to ORGANIZE to have impact. which is why I love our tech tools-- to allow more dynamic peer-to-peer organizing without losing the power of scale and coordination

14:40 Ruby Glitter: Sorry, but I just can't get down with blind unity if it's for the sake of ap arty that doesn't care about me.

14:41 Drew Frobozz: that we used to get from organizations (institutions).

14:41 Jose Rote: thats why at a lot of meetings, you hear everyone saying "when are we going to talk about MY issue" and nothing happens

14:41 Trevor Steptoe: RL calls. Thanks all, hope to see you here again soon.

14:41 Drew Frobozz: which is why America Votes leaves a lot to be desired as you say, Old.

14:41 Old McDunnough: That may be where the problem lies, that it is the organization that is networked, not the individual.

14:41 Jose Rote: bye Trev

14:41 Ruby Glitter: Thanks so much for coming, trevor. Please coma again tomorrow.

14:42 Drew Frobozz: bye Trevor. blog this! :)

14:42 Mobile Widget: it seems that organizations of old and parties of old do not fit what people are looking for... is it because they have become so large in cases and become overly self interested?

14:42 Old McDunnough: This group aside - people had pretty long lists of associations - there doesn't seem to be much institutionally that encourages personal contact and exposure to bridging ideas

14:42 Jose Rote: most are not large enough

14:42 Mobile Widget: :)

14:43 Jose Rote: you know who saved Social Security? AARP, without them, we would have lost it

14:43 Soren Olafson: hate to run, but I need to get home... thanks all!

14:43 Jose Rote: bye Soren

14:43 Mobile Widget: bye Soren

14:43 Drew Frobozz: bye Soren.

14:44 Drew Frobozz: so Ruby, shall we poll folks re: the topics for tomorrow?

14:44 Ruby Glitter: Shoudl we start to wrap up?

14:44 Mobile Widget: mmm sounds good

14:44 Jose Rote: yes

14:44 Ruby Glitter: Good.

14:44 Ruby Glitter: So, tomorrow we are planning a SL newbies session, and a debreif on the Lamont campaign.

14:45 Jose Rote: oh great!

14:45 Rik Riel: hi all. Hope today went well.

14:45 Ruby Glitter: Hi Rik.

14:45 Drew Frobozz: Hi rik. yes it was great!

14:45 Rik Riel: looked like a good group.

14:45 Ruby Glitter: Yes, we almost ran out of seat again. ;-)

14:45 Drew Frobozz: thanks for all your help

14:45 Rik Riel: sure thing.

14:45 Ruby Glitter: yes, the blogging really helps.

14:45 Mobile Widget: an SL newbies session?

14:45 Drew Frobozz: we're just going over topics for future sessions

14:45 Ruby Glitter: For RL activists athat re new to SL.

14:46 Mobile Widget: gotcha

14:46 Ruby Glitter: we had afew yesterday.

14:46 Jose Rote: guess what?! NPR just said there is going to be a Gay Pride march in . . . wait for it . . . Jerusalem!

14:46 Rik Riel: whose running that session?

14:46 Ruby Glitter: And the Lamont session will be led by Aldon Hines who was his tech coordinator, and maybe some other folks from the campaign.

14:46 Jose Rote: wow good job getting those folks Ruby and Drew

14:46 Mobile Widget: yeah - fantastic

14:47 Ruby Glitter: i am doing the newbie session, but i am a bit of a n00b myself. I'd love some help.

14:47 Drew Frobozz: CNN: "political earthquakes in the US have triggered seismic celebrations around the world." :)

14:47 Ruby Glitter: Also, Jose is going to do a session on building in SL on Monday.

14:47 Mobile Widget is Online

14:47 Rik Riel: Tomorrow is a bit sketchy, since its a day off for lots of folks.

14:47 Rik Riel: that could hurt or help

14:47 Ruby Glitter: Vets Day?

14:47 Ruby Glitter: yeah, could go either way...

14:47 Drew Frobozz: shall we combine those two sessions Ruby? newbie and building?

14:48 Drew Frobozz: that way we provide content of interest for a range of skill levels?

14:48 Ruby Glitter: Well, I think they're different but complimantary. we could do one and flow right into the next one...

14:48 Ruby Glitter: But also Jose isn't available after 1pm tomorrow.

14:48 Rik Riel: I think I can get the machinima session for sunday or monday

14:49 Ruby Glitter: Great!

14:49 Ruby Glitter: How about Sunday?

14:49 Drew Frobozz: ah ok

14:49 Rik Riel: that's probably fine

14:49 Mobile Widget: well, thanks so much for this session!

14:49 Ruby Glitter: Thanks for coming, Mobile.

14:50 Rik Riel: it would be with Paul marino, president of the academy of machinima arts and asciences

14:50 Mobile Widget: I will be back for more...

14:50 Old McDunnough: I have a suggestion for Tuesday, if that is available. I can't make Monday and may not be able to on Sunday.

14:50 Rik Riel: and Moo money of Alt Zoom

14:50 Mobile Widget: catch y'all later - gotta go back to RL for a bit!

14:50 Mobile Widget: :)

14:50 Ruby Glitter: Bye.

14:50 Drew Frobozz: thanks Mobile!

14:50 Rik Riel: ciao mobile

14:50 Drew Frobozz: spread the word!

14:50 Mobile Widget: you bet!

14:50 Drew Frobozz: Old, what do you suggest?

14:50 Ruby Glitter: Old, Tuesday is supposed to be focused on the presidential election at the moment.

14:50 Mobile Widget: ciao!

14:50 Old McDunnough: A new philosophy of politics

14:51 Ruby Glitter: but you can also go outside this time slot.

14:51 Old McDunnough: This time slot works out quite well, as a general rule. Post classes, before kids.

14:51 Old McDunnough: Any earlier or later is a problem

14:51 Drew Frobozz: there are two slots on tuesday ruby

14:51 Ruby Glitter: Can you do Saturday?

14:51 Drew Frobozz: I was going to cover 2-3pm

14:52 Ruby Glitter: That's true, Drew.

14:52 Old McDunnough: Oh, sorry. I thought tomorrow was Saturday. Long week.

14:52 Ruby Glitter: Oh well then there's 1pm.

14:52 Jose Rote: ty Ruby and Drew for making this happen

14:52 Drew Frobozz: so how about 1pm Tuesday, Old?

14:52 Ruby Glitter: Thank you so much for participating, Jose!

14:52 Old McDunnough: Yes, that will work.

14:52 Drew Frobozz: Thank YOU for alll your support Jose

14:52 Drew Frobozz: Great-- post it on the wiki! :)

14:52 Old McDunnough: OK

14:52 Drew Frobozz: and Ruby any idea when Rob Stuart will do his, or when Aaron can get the voting reform session together?

14:53 Ruby Glitter: Not ot be nitpicky, but if you can do Saturday that might be better. We come up with so many good ideas, so it's good to have slots open toward the end for new session ideas.

14:53 Ruby Glitter: I will follow up w/ Rob. I din't know anyting about Aaron that you don't know. ;-)

14:53 Old McDunnough: Saturday won't work for me, though. I'm helping a local radio guy (who is doing a 90-minute spot post event on the local RootsCamp)

14:54 Ruby Glitter: But if Tuesday is better, it's really fine. :-)

14:54 Ruby Glitter: Oh, OK.

14:54 Ruby Glitter: Then Tuesday at 1pm.

14:54 Old McDunnough: He's giving a talk on sustainability at some conference, and his shotgun driver for the power point is a no show

14:54 Ruby Glitter: What's the topic again?

14:54 Old McDunnough: OK. I'll edit momentarily

14:54 Drew Frobozz: Rik, did you want to do a session besides Machinima?

14:54 Rik Riel: possibly. what's the status of monday?

14:55 Ruby Glitter: We have Jose's building session and one open slot.

14:55 Drew Frobozz: 2-3pm is open

14:56 Rik Riel: sorry, do we already have something on SL political organizing, awareness raising?

14:56 Ruby Glitter: No, that's a good one!

14:56 Rik Riel: I know it was on the table, just wasn't sure if it was planned yet

14:56 Ruby Glitter: yeah.

14:56 Rik Riel: anyway, I'm happy to do it, and bring in some others

14:56 Ruby Glitter: Great! when is a good time?

14:57 Rik Riel: 2-3 is fine

14:57 Rik Riel: or later

14:57 Ruby Glitter: OK, so machinima Sunday, in-world organizing Monday?

14:57 Rik Riel: yep

14:57 Drew Frobozz: Great. Stick it on the wiki- 2pm.

14:57 Rik Riel: done

14:57 Drew Frobozz: Ruby, can you check in with Aaron re: the voting session?

14:57 Ruby Glitter: :-)

14:57 Ruby Glitter: OK.

14:58 Drew Frobozz: I'll try to nail down Peter Leyden/NPI for one of the remaining slots

14:58 RiverSong Garden is Offline

14:58 Old McDunnough: RE: the Machinima ... I have a couple people here at IU who are studying that topic from a design/cultural point of view. They are SL people, so I'll see if they can stop by