13:11 Ruby Glitter: OK. BTW do you mind if we post this chat log and picture on the internet, errcheck?

13:11 Ruby Glitter: We ask everyone to make sure we have permission.

13:11 errcheck Hicks: Is OK

13:11 Ruby Glitter: Cute.

13:11 Trevor Steptoe: Hey. Post away.

13:11 Dayglo Maladay: i'm cool

13:11 Ruby Glitter: hey trevor.

13:11 Dayglo Maladay: with it

13:11 Ruby Glitter: OK, well first how long has everyone been using SL?

13:12 Dayglo Maladay: 6 months, but very off and on

13:12 errcheck Hicks: Since April

13:12 Ruby Glitter: I first joined in Juene.

13:12 Ruby Glitter: ut I didn't try to do anyting withit until recently.

13:12 Drew Frobozz: joined in April but really first starting being here 3 weeks ago

13:12 Drew Frobozz: started*

13:12 Trevor Steptoe: I've been in SL for a couple of years, on and off.

13:12 Dayglo Maladay: you veteran!

13:13 Drew Frobozz: in the context of working on NASA's "Space CoLab" island

13:13 Trevor Steptoe: I'm usually in a 3D world I'm building, Ogoglio City.

13:13 Ruby Glitter: Well you are the resident expert then, Trevor. ;-)

13:13 Trevor Steptoe: If I'm the SL expert, we're in trouble. ;-)

13:13 Drew Frobozz: Trevor teaches the session... ;)

13:13 Ruby Glitter: we canall teach each other.

13:14 Trevor Steptoe: Heh. Of course I'm happy to chime in when I know anything.

13:14 Drew Frobozz: I just was in RL with a resident named Sundog Sakai and his work blew my mind

13:14 Drew Frobozz: about what is possible here

13:14 Ruby Glitter: Cool. what kind of stuff is it?

13:14 Drew Frobozz: the tallest building in SL, helicopters flying around inside the Moon, Airstream trailers in inordinate detail, etc.

13:15 Drew Frobozz: mostly on the design side not the social side.

13:15 Ruby Glitter: Hmm.

13:15 Ruby Glitter: I see.

13:15 Ruby Glitter: Hi Aldon!

13:15 Drew Frobozz: but I'm just starting to noodle on how to translate what's possible into what's useful for advocacy

13:15 Drew Frobozz: hey Aldon!

13:15 Aldon Huffhines: Hey everyone

13:16 Ruby Glitter: Yes. So in the process of organizing RootsCamp, i have also started to thin of how to get the word out.

13:16 Dayglo Maladay: hi, aldon

13:16 errcheck Hicks: I think there is great potential here for "performance art", and by that I mean a guided educational experience that uses architecture

13:16 Trevor Steptoe: I think a good first step would be to look into bringing info from activist web sites into SL.

13:16 Ruby Glitter: For example, errcheck has that big box and he puts a script onit that gives out a bunch of posters.

13:16 errcheck Hicks: and actors to put people in situation where they can learn

13:16 Dayglo Maladay: like Camp Durfur?

13:16 Dayglo Maladay: *Darfur

13:16 Ruby Glitter: Or i have been making items liek t-shirts and notecard to give away to promote the event.

13:16 Trevor Steptoe: Most activist groups I've been a part of have little time for web stuff, so doubling efforts in SL seems out of reach.

13:17 Krono Pro is Offline

13:17 Krono Pro is Online

13:17 Aldon Huffhines: (To whomever, the secretary is "yes")

13:17 errcheck Hicks: Camp darfur is good but it is not a compelling expereince in my opinion

13:17 Ruby Glitter: Well just like having web sites, it should take advantage of content and work they are already doing.

13:17 Ruby Glitter: Thanks Aldon.

13:17 Drew Frobozz: I'm really interested in Drupal-SL mashups as I told you Trevor

13:17 Ruby Glitter: Can I get a volunteer to be secratary? ;-)

13:18 Drew Frobozz: sure Ruby

13:18 Ruby Glitter: Thanks, Drew.

13:18 errcheck Hicks: For example, a "Tour of Iraq" might open people's eyes as to the real situation it is to live under a military occupation

13:18 Drew Frobozz: yeah good idea

13:18 Ruby Glitter: yes.

13:18 Drew Frobozz: I saw air photos used as ground texture today

13:18 Drew Frobozz: in SL

13:18 errcheck Hicks: And Gamerz could play the occupiers

13:19 Ruby Glitter: Heh.

13:19 Drew Frobozz: so you can make Iraq photorealistic

13:19 Ruby Glitter: Aldon and Old, how long have you been using SL?

13:20 errcheck Hicks: Build a Abu Ghriab sim, have militry checkpoints, no flying, Green Zone

13:20 Old McDunnough: Let's see ... since Wednesday. About 1p Pacific

13:20 Ruby Glitter: :)

13:20 Aldon Huffhines: I tried it about two years ago, but had some technical problems, and didn't come back

13:20 Ruby Glitter: Most of us have been about 6 months and Trevor has been for about 2 years.

13:20 Old McDunnough: Actually, I had a sports informatics class that used this medium for a class. I went someplace where I kicked a big ball into goals for an hour

13:20 Aldon Huffhines: Then last March, I started hanging out here a bunch.

13:20 Ruby Glitter: that sounds even duller than a PE class.

13:21 Old McDunnough: There were no whistles or laps

13:21 Drew Frobozz: one other thing I want to get good at is RL/SL synchronized events... There may be a chance to try chat with RootsCampSF and RootsCampSL this weekend...

13:21 errcheck Hicks: And it does build finger strength

13:21 Ruby Glitter: Uh, yeah.

13:21 Aldon Huffhines: I've een to a lot of live concerts, which have been great, and several events at Berkman and with NPTech

13:21 Trevor Steptoe: The political builds are mostly good for generating publicity along the lines of "Hey, there are political people in SL" but I'm been pretty unimpressed with their emotional impact.

13:22 Drew Frobozz: and Old, any interest in that for your RootsCampBloomington?

13:22 Drew Frobozz: (RL/SL synch)

13:22 Trevor Steptoe: Has anyone seen political builds that really get people going?

13:22 Ruby Glitter: You mean like Camp Darfur-kind of thing?

13:22 Old McDunnough: It's growing, a little.

13:22 Trevor Steptoe: Ruby: Like that, yes.

13:22 Old McDunnough: I don't have many firm commitments, but lots of unspecified interest.

13:22 Drew Frobozz: So re: political builds in SL, is there any sort of geographic hub for them?

13:23 errcheck Hicks: I haven't seen anything that's beyond postering and carity appeals

13:23 Drew Frobozz: at the moment?

13:23 errcheck Hicks: charity

13:23 Ruby Glitter: One of the problems with those for me is that there aren't many peopel whenever I go there.

13:23 Trevor Steptoe: Along the lines of what errcheck was describing...

13:23 Old McDunnough: I'm having some difficulty selling the idea to local papers to cover, and that boggles my mind a bit

13:23 Ruby Glitter: One of the most educational things I've seen here is the schizophrenia lab.

13:23 Ruby Glitter: m

13:24 Ruby Glitter: er, you can walk through it an experience thesymptoms.

13:24 Trevor Steptoe: I saw a lot of press, but didn't experience the Schi. Lab. Did it effect you emotionally?

13:24 Ruby Glitter: I also like the Peace and Justice Center (next door, over your right shoulders).

13:24 Aldon Huffhines: the live music I go to usually has quite a few people.

13:24 Ruby Glitter: Emotionally, a little.

13:24 Aldon Huffhines: The Machinima festivals usually draw a large crowd.

13:24 Trevor Steptoe: I only ask because I'm dubious about spending a lot of time building out prisons and the like, in terms of tangible effect.

13:25 errcheck Hicks: I think the live music thing can be good for socially networking activists

13:25 Ruby Glitter: well the intended impact is at least as much educational as emotional. and it wsa very effective at that.

13:25 Drew Frobozz: I found out yesterday that it was my friend Tom Munneke who first created Better World Island two years ago, out of a conversation over at Omidyar.net! :)

13:25 Drew Frobozz: made this virtual world a very small world for me! :)

13:25 Ruby Glitter: Cool!

13:25 Trevor Steptoe: errcheck: Right, bringing people together for a social event, and then discussion, that seems like SL's strong suite.

13:26 Aldon Huffhines: There is an interesting movement, away from Second Life, called Games for Change...

13:26 Ruby Glitter: At the P&J center they have photos of Irqi children and messages from civilians and socliers there.

13:26 Aldon Huffhines: There has been talk about using SL as a game enging for social change games

13:26 errcheck Hicks: If you just show up and look at the build and read something...it's not enough, it needs to be more compelling

13:27 Aldon Huffhines: I think scheduling events is the compelling part. At least it is for me.

13:27 Ruby Glitter: organizing still needs to be done one-on-one.

13:27 Ruby Glitter: Drew and I have been meeting peopel all week in the process of doing this event, for example.

13:27 Ruby Glitter: You can't make a "thinkg

13:28 errcheck Hicks: One Idea is "Meet an Iraqi" where some international converstaions can take place

13:28 Ruby Glitter: er, a "thing" that will replace an organizer.

13:28 Trevor Steptoe: Aldon: It's clear that getting people together (like this) is a core capability of SL, so I think that bringing in more people would be the way to go.

13:28 Ruby Glitter: Welcome, Delia.

13:28 Drew Frobozz: yes Ruby-- i think we're building a community through RootsCamp

13:28 Drew Frobozz: Hello Delia!

13:28 Trevor Steptoe: Get out the vote + SL recruitment! ;-)

13:29 Ruby Glitter: Which brings me back to basics a bit.

13:29 errcheck Hicks: The whole international conversation thing just seems so important to me to overcome American xenophobia

13:29 Ruby Glitter: Ona related note, Delia has worked on the Water resource center here at BWI which is a very educational roject that does havethe "emotional impact" you spoke of Trevor.

13:29 Aldon Huffhines: Trevor, GOTV for youth is a big concern for me. Using SL and places like Facebook or MySpace seems like interesting approaches.

13:30 Aldon Huffhines: It isn't clear how effective they will be initially, but it is probably good to build on them.

13:30 Drew Frobozz: yes Aldon-- who has done good Mashups of SL with other platforms like that?

13:30 Aldon Huffhines: I haven't seen any good mashups, yet.

13:31 Delia Lake: hi, Ruby. that's great! i wanted to stop by, but i will have to come back next time because a client called and needs me to do something by the end of the day

13:31 Aldon Huffhines: It seems as if some of the simple stuff is just getting info from SL into the rest of the web.

13:31 Trevor Steptoe: SL tools for programmatically bringing in web info are pretty weak, though Linden Lab promised to improve them.

13:31 Drew Frobozz: yes, and vice-versa Aldon

13:31 Ruby Glitter: OK, Delia. Thanks for visiting.

13:31 Drew Frobozz: y

13:31 Delia Lake: see you all next time

13:31 Drew Frobozz: I'm sure that will improve

13:31 Aldon Huffhines: secondlife.reuters.com is a good start. SL Based Machinima is great. Blog entries about SL is important

13:31 Drew Frobozz: you can bring in RSS feeds

13:32 Drew Frobozz: so a lot could happen that way

13:32 Drew Frobozz: and non-interactive Flash

13:32 Drew Frobozz: and Quicktime

13:32 Aldon Huffhines: I like the quicktime integration I've seend here.

13:32 Aldon Huffhines: I haven't seen anything interesting with Flash.

13:32 Trevor Steptoe: Audio streams, video streams, basic HTTP requests, images from the web...

13:32 Aldon Huffhines: (Although I'm not keen on Flash)

13:32 Ruby Glitter: Is there any interest in talking more about hand-on how to do things?

13:33 Trevor Steptoe: People often go into Skype conferences manually, too.

13:33 Ruby Glitter: We don't have to, what ya'll are talk ign about is also intersting. but I think som eof it will also be covered on Monday.

13:33 Trevor Steptoe: Ok.

13:33 Aldon Huffhines: It seems like a good thing to talk about sometime, perhaps not today, is how to set up a campaign office in SL

13:33 Drew Frobozz: I'd like to learn some basics, but I can do that off-hours with you too Ruby

13:33 Ruby Glitter: I am only asking, not saying.

13:34 Ruby Glitter: Well I'd rather do it once with the group (and learn from you all too)

13:34 Drew Frobozz: Tuesday Aldon I'm planning on a session for "How to Use SL to Win in 2008"

13:34 Drew Frobozz: to that end...

13:34 Aldon Huffhines: How do you make T-shirts, political buttons, set up the actual space, etc.

13:34 Drew Frobozz: I'd love to learn that today :)

13:34 Ruby Glitter: I'm so glad you asked! ;-)

13:35 errcheck Hicks: Yeah, I want to make a sloganed pink slip

13:35 errcheck Hicks: wearable

13:35 Ruby Glitter: i can go over how I did things here, and I'm reall yintersted in hearing everyoen's questions.

13:36 Drew Frobozz: cool. Ruby quick O/T question- did you get an invite from me to SLNetroots group a few minutes ago even though you're already a member? or no?

13:36 Aldon Huffhines is Offline

13:36 Ruby Glitter: Yes.

13:36 Drew Frobozz: ok thanks.

13:36 Old McDunnough: brb

13:36 Ruby Glitter: Uh oh, just lost Alson and Old.

13:36 Ruby Glitter: Anyway.

13:36 Drew Frobozz: Can we start w/ Aldon's questions?

13:37 Ruby Glitter: We could except he's gone.

13:37 Ruby Glitter: But that's where I'm going anyway.

13:37 Krono Pro is Offline

13:37 Ruby Glitter: So as you all can see (esp. if you were here before) i took all the stuff that on this wooden wall and made it into a clickable billboard.

13:38 Krono Pro is Online

13:38 Ruby Glitter: sorry stuff that WAS on this wall.

13:38 errcheck Hicks: Yeah, it's zoned, how did you do that

13:38 Ruby Glitter: each thing either gives away an item or points to an URL.

13:38 Krono Pro is Offline

13:38 Ruby Glitter: The building blocks for these fucntions are scripts.

13:39 Krono Pro is Online

13:39 Ruby Glitter: And there are tons of free scripts available in the ICT library on Info Island.

13:39 Aldon Huffhines is Online

13:39 Ruby Glitter: hey Aldon!

13:39 Ruby Glitter: We're just answergin your question (I hope).

13:39 Aldon Huffhines: Sorry about that... My network connection dropped

13:39 Ruby Glitter: NP.

13:40 Trevor Steptoe: A lot of folks build without scripting, so don't be discouraged if lsl seems overwhelming.

13:40 Trevor Steptoe: You can do quite a bit without writing a single line of code.

13:40 Ruby Glitter: Yes, but also I didn't have to write them or understadn them .;-)

13:41 Ruby Glitter: Cool.

13:41 Trevor Steptoe: Also true, copy and paste is a beautiful thing.

13:41 Ruby Glitter: So for folks who have not edited or created anything in SL, I'd liek you to try something.

13:41 Medium Helvetic is Online

13:41 Ruby Glitter: each of these stools you're sitting on shoudl be moveable.

13:41 Ruby Glitter: I wanted peopel to be able to rearraneg things.

13:41 Ruby Glitter: Want to try moving?

13:42 Ruby Glitter: You don't have ot get up.

13:42 Ruby Glitter: Pick a stool that you're not sitting on...

13:42 Ruby Glitter: Or that you are.

13:42 Old McDunnough: I'm back. Kids upstairs, in the back yard, asking for power rangers

13:42 Ruby Glitter: and right click on it.

13:42 Ruby Glitter: select 'edit'

13:43 Ruby Glitter: You can move things freehand, numerically, ot along three axes.

13:43 Ruby Glitter: W00t!

13:44 Ruby Glitter: if you select the middle button, "edit" youc an see manya spects you can adjust.

13:44 Mobile Widget is Offline

13:44 Ruby Glitter: position, rortate, stretch.

13:44 Ruby Glitter: if you click the "more" button you can see even more options including numeric values.

13:45 Ruby Glitter: Hi Alek!

13:45 Ruby Glitter: We are just rearranging the furniture. ;-)

13:45 Trevor Steptoe: Woo, I'm underground.

13:45 Ruby Glitter: Hi TomG.

13:45 Ruby Glitter: We are jusy practicing moving things.

13:45 TOMG Clifton: Hi Ruby

13:46 TOMG Clifton: How do you do that?

13:46 Ruby Glitter: Loks like you all got that pretty good. ;-)

13:46 Ruby Glitter: I liek errcheck's stool.

13:46 Ruby Glitter: (tom, right-click on a stool > edit > edit)

13:46 Ruby Glitter: any questions? is this too elementary?

13:47 TOMG Clifton: Cool

13:47 Drew Frobozz: Ruby, how would I strech for example?

13:47 Dayglo Maladay: this is great

13:47 Ruby Glitter: Great question.

13:47 RiverSong Garden is Online

13:47 Drew Frobozz: I check the radio button but then...

13:47 Ruby Glitter: In the edit window...

13:47 Macario Actil shouts: hello

13:47 Ruby Glitter: Select the "Stretch" radio button.

13:48 Drew Frobozz: and then..

13:48 Drew Frobozz: ?

13:48 Ruby Glitter: you can then do it free hand, or numerically if you select "more > object"

13:48 Trevor Steptoe: It's no-modify, so we can't stretch (I believe).

13:48 Ruby Glitter: You should see handles once you select Stretch.

13:48 Ruby Glitter: Quite possibly. i htink i was trying to protect them.

13:48 Drew Frobozz: ah ok

13:49 Trevor Steptoe: If we make our own cubes (like Aldon) we can stretch them.

13:49 Ruby Glitter: but now, you can create! ready?

13:49 Ruby Glitter: yes. exactly.

13:49 Ruby Glitter: so now, right clik on the ground and select Create.

13:49 Ruby Glitter: Then click on the ground where you want your object to go.

13:50 Ruby Glitter: Looks liek you've got the hang of it...

13:50 Ruby Glitter: Anyone have questions?

13:50 Ruby Glitter: Hi Viggo.

13:50 Viggo Engebretsen: hi, ruby, hope i didn't step on anyone.. lag, yanno

13:51 Old McDunnough: What do I do with my big wooden-like floating ball now?

13:51 Ruby Glitter: You can upload any JPG and use it as a "texture" (as a pattern or over the whoel thing)

13:51 Trevor Steptoe: Once you create something, you can attach it to your head (or whatever part you want).

13:51 Ruby Glitter: for example, i have used the RootsCamp logo as a texture on a lot of things. the poster is also a "texture"

13:52 Drew Frobozz: how?

13:52 Drew Frobozz: do you apply the texture?

13:52 Mobile Widget is Online

13:52 Ruby Glitter: Cure, trevor. ;-)

13:52 Aldon Huffhines: So, I've made a Ned button. It is pretty primative, but I'll give them to anyone.

13:52 Old McDunnough: Can I ask a practical question? How long did it take you (and/or others) to set up this space, with the initial objects?

13:52 Ruby Glitter: Cool, can I have a button?

13:52 Drew Frobozz: Ruby, how do I apply a texture?

13:52 Dayglo Maladay: I'd love a button too, Aldon

13:53 Trevor Steptoe: Button, please.

13:53 Object: ready...

13:53 Aldon Huffhines gave you Ned Button.

13:53 Ruby Glitter: I spent much of the weekend and then an hour or two each day.

13:53 Dayglo Maladay: thanks, aldon!

13:53 Aldon Huffhines: I think this illustrates something fun and easy to do to get people involved.

13:54 Ruby Glitter: Welcome Viggo and Macario. How long have you been using SL?

13:54 Viggo Engebretsen: since june

13:54 Aldon Huffhines: We have the RootsCamp shirts. I have a one.org shirt...

13:54 Aldon Huffhines: I just whipped up the button right now.

13:54 Ruby Glitter: me too.

13:54 Macario Actil: hello

13:54 Dayglo Maladay: hi, macario

13:54 Ruby Glitter: Are you here for RootsCamp, Macario?

13:54 Macario Actil: yes

13:54 Ruby Glitter: welcome.

13:55 Drew Frobozz: Ruby how do I apply a texture?

13:55 Macario Actil: thanks

13:55 Ruby Glitter: We are just finishing up a sort of intro to makign things.

13:55 Aldon Huffhines: (And for that matter, I just put on my Shamrock Headband from a St. Paddy's day party)

13:55 Ruby Glitter: lamont campign de-brief is up in about 5 minuyes.

13:55 Ruby Glitter: minuTes.

13:55 Macario Actil: greetings from Pittsburg, California

13:55 Ruby Glitter: Cool.

13:56 Trevor Steptoe: The SL help is actually ok for first time builders. (Menu: Help -> Second Life Help)

13:56 Old McDunnough: There is one camp (NY?) on Saturday, right?

13:56 Old McDunnough: RL, that is.

13:56 Ruby Glitter: i also want ot tell you al abou tanothern thing I put otgether, the picture viewer over there to your right.

13:56 Viewer instructions gave you Picture Display by Cienna Rand.

13:57 Ruby Glitter: It's made of a couple of objects, and I just today learned hoe to "link" them together. that is how you make more complict=ated things.

13:58 Ruby Glitter: Are there anyquestions before we wrap up?

13:58 Ruby Glitter: Did this answer your question, Alson?

13:58 Drew Frobozz: Old: the RL RootsCamp this weekend is in San Francisco

13:58 Dayglo Maladay: Ruby, this was great!

13:58 Aldon Huffhines: Yeah, I think that was a good starting point.

13:58 Old McDunnough: Would you be interested in trying to hook up locations of RL thorugh this space?

13:58 Ruby Glitter: Thanks. let's see if we can put the space back together. :-)

13:59 Aldon Huffhines: I think we might want to expand on this more over time, in terms of creating posters, t-shirts, buttons, offices, etc.

13:59 Old McDunnough: I think it would be nice to have a session where people in real life could go online and chat with others in another part of the country.

13:59 Drew Frobozz: yes perhaps at 3pm some of us can stay for more?

13:59 Ruby Glitter: Hi Magda.

13:59 Aldon Huffhines: You can really do some very powerful stuff.

13:59 Magda Voss: Hi, sorry to arrive so late.

13:59 Drew Frobozz: Old, we may be able to try that at RootsCampSF this weekend

13:59 Ruby Glitter: No prob. we are just finishng one session. will start a new one shortly.

14:00 Magda Voss: Oh, good !

14:00 Ruby Glitter: Hi krono!

14:00 Krono Pro: hi all

14:00 Magda Voss: I just learnd about this Camp, yesterday - wanted to check it out, very interested.

14:00 Old McDunnough: I have a busy day, but assuming you head into the night, I wouldn't mind coming here for a late session and talk to people.

14:01 Old McDunnough: I would also very much like people to do the same for the Bloomington camps next week. The NY one is on the 18th, so maybe my second__+ sessions can sync up with them.

14:02 Krono Pro: do u need this seat?

14:02 Ruby Glitter: No.

14:02 Krono Pro: i brought my own one :)

14:02 Krono Pro: ok

14:02 Ruby Glitter: We can always make more.

14:02 errcheck Hicks: I saw a great documentary on the Cynthia McKinney campaign, it would be good to schedule activist movies

14:02 Krono Pro: ok

14:02 Ruby Glitter: Thanks for coming Magda.

14:02 Krono Pro: thnx

14:02 Viggo Engebretsen: yes! another mother for peace!

14:03 Aldon Huffhines: we did activist movies at one of our headquarters as part of our phonebanking effort.

14:03 Ruby Glitter: krono, today someone tld me about a transaltor device.

14:03 Viggo Engebretsen: hey dak!

14:03 Ruby Glitter: I'm not sure if it would be helpful or not.

14:03 Dak Hesse: Hi Viggo! And thanks :)

14:03 Viggo Engebretsen: ruby, can i move one of these so my friend can sit next to me?

14:03 babbler 2.0q: Ruby welcome to Babbler. Have fun!

14:03 babbler 2.0q: Please choose language to translate from:

14:03 babbler 2.0q: Babbler Ready.

14:03 Dayglo Maladay: very Star Trek, Ruby! :)

14:03 Krono Pro: im i can try it...

14:04 Babbler: Ruby: Lengua hablas el sistema al español

14:04 Krono Pro: do u know how to get it?

14:04 Ruby Glitter: I just put it on the ground here.

14:04 Babbler: Ruby: Entrega en la manera a Krono favorable

14:04 Dak Hesse: IT's ok, Im fine here, but thanks for asking, Vig

14:04 Krono Pro: lol thats not spanish

14:04 xRuby: El escuchar A TRADUCIR en el canal /0

14:05 Magda Voss: I'll return, shortly...

14:05 Ruby Glitter: it says to listen to the translation on channel /0 I think

14:05 xRuby: it says to lists to the translation on channel /0 I think

14:05 Viggo Engebretsen: ok, Dak.

14:05 Krono Pro: channel 0 is chat channel

14:05 Krono Pro: the one we all use to chat

14:05 Ruby Glitter: if that doesn't work, you can get your own. the giver is at the Tech Soup office on Info island.

14:05 xRuby: if that doesn 't work, you dog get your own. to giver is AT the Tech Soup office on Info island.

14:06 Ruby Glitter: I htinkti's translating what i say, but into Engish. :-(

14:06 xRuby: I htinkti 's translating what i say, but into Engish. : - (

14:06 Ruby Glitter: Will work on this some more...

14:06 Aldon Huffhines: So, are we ready to talk about the Lamont campaign?

14:06 xRuby: Will work on this some dwells…

14:06 Ruby Glitter: Yes.

14:06 xRuby: Yes.

14:06 Krono Pro: lol yeah, amazing gadget! XD

14:06 Ruby Glitter: Next up folks is Aldon Hines!

14:06 xRuby: Next up folks is Aldon Hines!

14:06 Trevor Steptoe: Must run. I'll try to be back in a few minutes, but thanks Ruby!

14:06 Krono Pro: ruby, thanx a lot

14:06 Aldon Huffhines: Hi. I’m Aldon and I was the technology coordinator for the Lamont Campaign

14:07 Ruby Glitter: I will be the secrtary if no-one else wants to.

14:07 xRuby: I will be the secrtary if no-one else wants to.

14:07 Aldon Huffhines: I’m going to talk a bit about what went on with technology, the Lamont campaign, and what we can learn from it.

14:07 Ruby Glitter: And so before we begin,

14:07 xRuby: And under before we begin,

14:07 Drew Frobozz: I'll do it Ruby

14:07 Drew Frobozz: if you'd like

14:07 Ruby Glitter: OK, great.

14:07 xRuby: OK, great.

14:07 errcheck Hicks: Great Aldon.

14:07 Ruby Glitter: Can everyone here please agree to the chat log and pictures being posted online?

14:07 xRuby: Dog everyone here please agree to the chat log and pictures being posted online?

14:07 Drew Frobozz: can everyone please say "yes" again to chatlogging this conversation?

14:07 Dayglo Maladay: Agreed.

14:07 Old McDunnough: yes

14:07 errcheck Hicks: I agree

14:07 Drew Frobozz: oops :)

14:07 Dayglo Maladay: yes

14:07 Drew Frobozz: yes

14:07 Aldon Huffhines: yes

14:07 Dak Hesse: yes

14:08 Viggo Engebretsen: yes

14:08 Aldon Huffhines: I’ll probably move along relatively quickly, unless people come up with some good questions.

14:08 Aldon Huffhines: The first things I want to talk about is the underlying technology.

14:08 Aldon Huffhines: We wanted to find one system that would tie everything together nicely.

14:08 Aldon Huffhines: We found one promising system, but it didn’t really perform well.

14:08 Aldon Huffhines: In the end we had about a dozen different systems we needed to manage.

14:08 Aldon Huffhines: One of the important issues was scalability.

14:08 Aldon Huffhines: We needed systems that weren’t overwhelming to start with…

14:09 Aldon Huffhines: … but could handle large traffic later on.

14:09 errcheck Hicks: Were these web accessed systems?

14:09 Aldon Huffhines: It is interesting that the Lieberman camp didn’t really handle this.

14:09 Aldon Huffhines: Their website crashed under the volume of primary day traffic

14:09 Aldon Huffhines: errcheck, yes...

14:09 Aldon Huffhines: Our main system was with BlueStateDigital...

14:10 Aldon Huffhines: It handled signups, mass emails, donations...

14:10 Aldon Huffhines: We used Sage Systems for our FEC filing, for early voter id stuff.

14:10 Aldon Huffhines: We also used Google calendar and spreadsheets.

14:10 Aldon Huffhines: We made good use of ActBlue early on.

14:10 Aldon Huffhines: Actblue is GREAT!

14:10 Old McDunnough: Google calendar? Was that for internal office stuff?

14:11 Aldon Huffhines: Yeah, we used Google Calender for some of our internal stuff

14:11 Aldon Huffhines: We also used Salesforce for our most important calendar stuff

14:11 errcheck Hicks: Actblue is a PAC

14:11 Ruby Glitter: What does ActBlue do?

14:11 errcheck Hicks: ?

14:12 Aldon Huffhines: But, we had each congressional district have its own calendar in Google Calendars.

14:12 Aldon Huffhines: We also had one calendar for all the important events coming up

14:12 Aldon Huffhines: ActBlue is a PAC that bundles donations.

14:12 Aldon Huffhines: Before we had Blue State Digital up and running, we received most of our online donations through ActBlue

14:13 Aldon Huffhines: It is a good quick way to get up and running while your primary system gets set up.

14:13 Ruby Glitter: So they did 3rd partyy donation processing?

14:13 Aldon Huffhines: Our family Friends and Neighbors system was home grown, because Sage, which we hoped would handlethings couldn't really keep up.

14:14 Aldon Huffhines: Yes, actblue was essentially a third party doantion system.

14:14 Ruby Glitter: Can you explaina little more about what these things are programamtically.

14:14 Ruby Glitter: "familt friends and neighbors"?

14:14 Aldon Huffhines: As such, we did need to import information from ActBlue into Blue State Digital for our mailing list and into sage for our FEC filings.

14:15 Aldon Huffhines: Family Friends and Neighbors was a great program that I encourage every campaign to use something like.

14:15 Aldon Huffhines: The idea is that everyone could set up n userid on the system

14:15 Aldon Huffhines: Then they would identify their friends, and send them postcards

14:15 Aldon Huffhines: So, people would get personal postcards from the campaign.

14:15 Aldon Huffhines: Given all the campaign mail that goes out, having one that is personalszed really helps.

14:16 Aldon Huffhines: It is important to get these sort of cardsout early before people start getting overwhelmed with campaign malings.

14:16 Jose Rote: wait what would the system do? how were the cards personal?

14:17 Aldon Huffhines: A user would log into the system. They would search the voter file....

14:17 Aldon Huffhines: When they found a friend, they would flag the person as a friend and write a note to the friend.

14:17 Old McDunnough: And did you do any tracking on use of that feature as the campaign evolved?

14:17 Aldon Huffhines: We would print out postcards using the friends address, with the note attached.

14:17 Jose Rote: that's pretty damn cool

14:18 Aldon Huffhines: Old Mc: Unfortunately, no. We had wanted to use Sage for that, but ran into problems with Sage

14:18 Ruby Glitter: Neat.

14:18 Dayglo Maladay is Offline

14:18 Aldon Huffhines: So, the information wasn't as nicely integrated into oour field organization as we had hoped.

14:18 Aldon Huffhines: For example, the idea was for people to send cards....

14:19 Aldon Huffhines: When the cards got sent, the people would call up their friends, ask if they got the cards, what they think, etc.

14:19 Old McDunnough: I wonder if you might get some useful information about both the process and the people if you had them mail back their cards, or something. See whether they had a memory to them, something tangible enough to keep around.

14:19 Aldon Huffhines: This was too be added to the system, but as always happens in campaigns, there really wasn't enough time.

14:19 Aldon Huffhines: Old MC: Yes, we would have loved to do that, and I hope that Sage, Blue State or others can build that sort of functionality for the next cycle.

14:20 Aldon Huffhines: Any other questions about the systems right now?

14:20 Aldon Huffhines: The second thing that I wanted to talk about is the role of the technologist in the campaign.

14:20 errcheck Hicks: use your own servers?

14:20 Aldon Huffhines: One the one hand, the technologist is very much operations.

14:20 Ruby Glitter: Cool.

14:21 Aldon Huffhines: errcheck: No we used Blue State supplied servers... Sage supplied servers, hosting service provided servers... None of our own

14:21 Aldon Huffhines: One the one hand, the technologist is very much operations.

14:21 errcheck Hicks: K

14:21 Aldon Huffhines: On the other hand technology can and should be part of field and/or part of communications.

14:21 You have offered friendship to Emily Althouse

14:21 Aldon Huffhines: Unfortunately, campaigns still tend to stick technology in one area or another

14:21 Aldon Huffhines: And not make full use of the technology.

14:22 Aldon Huffhines: I tried to get us to hold a campaign event here,

14:22 Aldon Huffhines: Especially since Lieberman has a bad reputation with video games.

14:22 Aldon Huffhines: It seemed like an interesting idea, but no one really had time.

14:22 Aldon Huffhines: We ran into similar problems with Facebook and MySpace.

14:22 Aldon Huffhines: I did try to use Facebook for a little viral GOTV.

14:22 Aldon Huffhines: I think we had some success with that...

14:23 Aldon Huffhines: It is an area that I would like to see more of...

14:23 Aldon Huffhines: Are any of youusing Facebook?

14:23 errcheck Hicks: not me

14:23 Aldon Huffhines: I created a group"I voted in 2006" I tried to get people to join the group, and then get all their friends to get out and vote, and then join the group

14:23 Krono Pro is Offline

14:24 Aldon Huffhines: People liked the idea and we had a couple hundred people join.

14:24 Medium Helvetic is Offline

14:24 Krono Pro is Online

14:24 Ruby Glitter: This question of the technologist having one foot in opreations and one in field/strategy is very interesting. I have the same dilemma.

14:24 Aldon Huffhines: I would love to see a more ochestrated Facebook or MySpace based GOTV effort.

14:25 Drew Frobozz: I've found that the online organizer role touches all elements of a campaign in a strategic and proactive way

14:25 Aldon Huffhines: (My computer is flaking... I hope I don't disappear accidently...

14:25 Aldon Huffhines: You are right Drew, but unfortunately too many campaigns don't include the technology close enough to the core.

14:25 Drew Frobozz: yes

14:26 Drew Frobozz: but often the online organizer "Just does it" anyway...

14:26 Aldon Huffhines: I felt frustrations about that, as I believe did Tim Tagaris, who was our internet outreach coordinator.

14:26 Aldon Huffhines: Exactly...

14:26 Aldon Huffhines: Which really leads into the next important thing I wanted to talk about

14:26 Drew Frobozz: the online/IT group tends to be the least territorial within a campaign too

14:26 Drew Frobozz: the least entrenched

14:26 Drew Frobozz: the least "campaign careerist"

14:27 Old McDunnough: Did you have carte blanche on a lot of your ideas? What was the process for "approval" and how did that hurt the effectiveness, if at all?

14:27 Aldon Huffhines is Offline

14:27 Drew Frobozz: and I've found that tools and data that people in specific campaign departments WANT can be the "Trojan Horse" inside each department to get them to work with each other inadvertently but to their collective benefit

14:27 errcheck Hicks: Seems to me the Republicans have been using database technology to scrape up every vote they can for years

14:27 Ruby Glitter: Oh no, we lost him!

14:27 Aldon Huffhines is Online

14:28 Ruby Glitter: Ah. There you are.

14:28 Jose Rote: well let's let Drew continue until he comes back

14:28 Drew Frobozz: he's here :)

14:28 Aldon Huffhines: Okay... back...

14:28 Aldon Huffhines: Sorry about that SL crashed...

14:28 Aldon Huffhines: Did I miss any important questions?

14:28 Aldon Huffhines: Getting back on track..

14:29 Old McDunnough: I'll retype: Did you have carte blanche on a lot of your ideas? What was the process for "approval" and how did that hurt the effectiveness, if at all?

14:29 Aldon Huffhines: When we first started, I questioned whether we should even have a campaign blog.

14:29 Ruby Glitter: YOU did? You are such a blogger!

14:29 Aldon Huffhines: There was a vibrant blogging community in Connecticut already, that helped push the campaign forward...

14:29 Aldon Huffhines: Why should we have a blog, if there is already a great community.

14:30 Aldon Huffhines: When Tim Tagaris became available, it made sense to have a blog.

14:30 Aldon Huffhines: Old Mc: No, the process for approval was onerous.

14:30 errcheck Hicks: I blogged a progressive voting guide and got 2600 hits

14:30 Aldon Huffhines: I could post on the blogs without too much grief, but even there, I had to be very careful what I said.

14:31 Aldon Huffhines: There is an interesting dynamic between user created content and what is being created by the campaign.

14:31 Aldon Huffhines: I'll talk about this a little bit more in terms of video, which was very important...

14:32 Aldon Huffhines: However, as Ruby notes, this is also a good user created environment, and it might be good to do a round of introductions.

14:32 Aldon Huffhines: I've already pretty much spoken about who I am. Can we go around the circl and introduce ourslves?

14:32 Ruby Glitter: In response to this quesiotns " Why should we have a blog, if there is already a great community." It's so you can have your own message!

14:32 Aldon Huffhines: Ruby, we could get our message out, more effectively, I believe, through the local bloggers.

14:33 errcheck Hicks: do we want RL names?

14:33 Ruby Glitter: I'm Ruby Sinreich and I live in Chapel hill, North Carolina. I'm very interested in hearing where everyone is.

14:33 Ruby Glitter: I am an online organizer and consulatnt on netwokr-centric advocacy.

14:33 errcheck Hicks: I'm Eric Ahlberg I live in Venice California and I campaigned for Marcy Winograd, as well as local Peace and Freedom Candidates

14:34 Ruby Glitter: Use RL names if you like.

14:34 Aldon Huffhines: Viggo? You want to start, and go around the circle, Dak, Old Mc, Trevor...

14:34 Ruby Glitter: Oh sorry, we jumped the gun.

14:34 Viggo Engebretsen: Oh, sorry, and i was AFK for a second

14:35 Viggo Engebretsen: I'm Viggo engebretsen, and i'm a health care worker in northern california, worked phone bank for the democratic candidate

14:35 Aldon Huffhines: (We can probably all type our intros at the same time to save a little time)

14:35 Trevor Steptoe: I'm Trevor F. Smith in Seattle, WA. I'm a cyclist, father, and a builder of media tools.

14:35 Dak Hesse: /I'm Dak - Im' from the Seatle area, and I work in techonology - developing and front ending databases for a variety of buisness needs. This is my first meeting of such type and I find it very interesting.

14:35 Aldon Huffhines: Thanks Dak, glad you could be here.

14:35 Old McDunnough: Kevin Makice. Ph.D. student in Informatics at Indiana University. While I'm a ways away from needing a dissertation, it will likely fall in the middle of Complex Systems, HCI Design and Sociology.

14:35 Emily Althouse: I'm Emily Boule and I volunteered for the local dem candidate in Pasadena, CA

14:36 Old McDunnough: I'm trying to get a local RootsCamp in BLoomington, but with the intention of bringing together diverse groups of ideology for conversation.

14:36 Jose Rote: I'm Jerimee Richir, in Raleigh, NC, I'm a field organizer in transition to something else

14:36 Aldon Huffhines: Thank you everyone... If anyone didn't speak up, just join in.

14:36 Aldon Huffhines: Back to having a blog or not...

14:37 Aldon Huffhines: People view the campaign blog as suspect. You know that it is giving the official voice of the campaign...

14:37 Moose Maine: I'm Sandy - From Northern New England - Call me a Centrist Diplomat and a SL Builder- Network Eng in RL - I'm the quiet one in the back (listening)

14:37 Aldon Huffhines: If you can get a blog of bloggers to get your message out, that can be more powerful.

14:37 Aldon Huffhines: In addition, they can present ideas in new ways you haven't thought of, and a smart campaign can learn from the local bloggers.

14:38 Aldon Huffhines: One important reason to have a blog is that it can really help you in the search engine rankings.

14:38 errcheck Hicks: In LA there are a few group-civic blogs, and that's where the political attention goes

14:38 Drew Frobozz: oops me?

14:38 Drew Frobozz: I'm Andrew Hoppin-- CivicSpace, Goodstorm, and now NASA (trying to get them to do all their software development open-source and transform their culture). Formerly the Draft Clark organizer for New York and in the IT Dept for his Presidential campaign.

14:39 Aldon Huffhines: errcheck: That is exactly what I'm talking about....

14:39 Aldon Huffhines: I think it is great to encourage these sort of blogging communities.

14:39 Aldon Huffhines: In Connecticut there is MyLeftNutmeg...

14:39 Drew Frobozz: also Trellon, YearlyKos, New Organizing Institute. San Francisco based, and 1/3 time in New York

14:39 Aldon Huffhines: It is based on SoapBlox and really became the gathering place of Lamont supporters online.

14:40 Aldon Huffhines: They would complain about the campaign, and we'd get good ideas from them.

14:40 Old McDunnough: I just got summoned upstairs to help herd kids into the bedtime routine. I'll look for the transcript. Probably won't see you tomorrow, but you SF people - please let me know if you will have an SL tie-in during your RL camp.

14:40 Drew Frobozz: WIll do Old

14:40 Aldon Huffhines: We need politicians that listen more to the people.

14:40 Aldon Huffhines: One of the complaints about Lieberman was that he lost touch with his supporters....

14:41 Aldon Huffhines: MyLeftNutmeg, Connecticut Local Politics and other local blogging communities provided great online forums.

14:41 Aldon Huffhines: Which is why I would love to have an online forum in a place like SL

14:41 Emily Althouse: Is there a Drinking LIberally in CT?

14:41 Aldon Huffhines: We had Ned Live Blog on CT Local Politics and on DailyKos....

14:41 Drew Frobozz: Aldon, let'

14:42 Drew Frobozz: let's please talk about what SHOULD be built in SL in this Tuesday session.

14:42 Aldon Huffhines: It is really important to get candidates live blogging on DailykOS (imho)

14:42 Drew Frobozz: can't wait for that.

14:42 Aldon Huffhines: Unfortunately, we don't have Drinking Liberally in CT

14:42 Jose Rote: imho?

14:42 Aldon Huffhines: IMHO: In My Humble Opinion

14:42 Aldon Huffhines: So, on to one of the things I really liked about the campaign.

14:43 Aldon Huffhines: There was a lot of talk about Ned Rocking the Boat...

14:43 Aldon Huffhines: I wanted to see people creating political videos....

14:43 Aldon Huffhines: One blogger, ctblogger, was videotaping all the events and putting them online.

14:43 Aldon Huffhines: I was hoping we would do a lot more....

14:43 Aldon Huffhines: (Maybe even some SL based Machinima)

14:44 Aldon Huffhines: So, I took the song Rock the Boat and made a music video of it.

14:44 Aldon Huffhines: Had pictures of Lieberman with Bush whenever the phrase 'Don't rock the boat' was sung.

14:44 Aldon Huffhines: I had pictures of Ned with lots of supporters during the 'Rock the boat' parts....

14:45 Aldon Huffhines: "Our love is like a ship on the ocean" Well, that was great for the kiss....

14:45 Aldon Huffhines: Anyway, I wasn't great at making videos, and mine was pretty bad.

14:45 errcheck Hicks: What's your short take on how/why Lieberman won after losing the primary? $$$$?

14:46 Drew Frobozz: 172 Drinking Liberally chapters and none in CT? That's amazing!

14:46 Aldon Huffhines: I did it anonymously, for various reasons, and got a bunch of people telling me that the video sucked...

14:46 Ruby Glitter: It seems to be b/c republicans voted for Lieberman.

14:46 Ruby Glitter: Which is exactly why I don't liek him.

14:46 errcheck Hicks: Yeah....

14:46 Aldon Huffhines: And it really encouraged a lot of them to do so, and we had great videos.

14:47 Aldon Huffhines: Yeah, Lieberman one on the older Republican vote.

14:47 Aldon Huffhines: I think it illustrates a couple problems...

14:47 Aldon Huffhines: All the blogging, online videos, etc, are great for reaching younger more liberal voters....

14:47 Aldon Huffhines: It helped win us the primary...

14:47 Viggo Engebretsen raises hand

14:47 Viggo Engebretsen: question?

14:47 Aldon Huffhines: However, you need to be much more broadbased in the general.

14:48 Aldon Huffhines: Yes Viggo?

14:48 Viggo Engebretsen: what is 'Drinking Liberally?'

14:48 Viggo Engebretsen feels shy

14:48 Aldon Huffhines: Drinking Liberally is a great group of people around the country that go out for drinks and talk liberal politics.

14:48 Drew Frobozz: Noone feels shy at Drinking Liberally! :)

14:48 Drew Frobozz: it's very low key and friendly

14:48 Aldon Huffhines: I told them to make their own, if they thought they could do a better job...

14:48 Viggo Engebretsen: cool, thank you

14:48 Viggo Engebretsen: good to know

14:48 Drew Frobozz: drinkingliberally.org

14:48 Aldon Huffhines: There may be a Drinking Liberally chapter in New Haven, but if there is, it is not very active.

14:48 Ruby Glitter: Also, Aldon. Blogs are good at reaching opinion leaders and journalists, but not the entire voting public.

14:48 Viggo Engebretsen: find it on craigslist?>

14:49 Drew Frobozz: it's not listed Aldon-- you're right

14:49 Aldon Huffhines: Exactly, Ruby.

14:49 Ruby Glitter: Blogs are important for motivating your base adn supporters so they can go out and work for the campaign.

14:49 Drew Frobozz: Viggo: DrinkingLiberally.org

14:49 Aldon Huffhines: I talk a lot about using blogs to reach opinion leaders....

14:49 Viggo Engebretsen: ty drew. ty for letting me sidetrack, too. back to aldon

14:49 Aldon Huffhines: Also for training people in the issues...

14:49 Aldon Huffhines: Another thing that is important is using them for research....

14:50 Aldon Huffhines: For example, when Lieberman supporters disrupted a Lamont event shortly before the primary, the word went out on the blogs...

14:50 Aldon Huffhines: A few of us, working together, managed to find the leader of the disruptors....

14:50 Aldon Huffhines: A corporate lobbyist from Washington.

14:50 Aldon Huffhines: Getting the bloggers to work together to find that out was really important.

14:50 Ruby Glitter: Awesome.

14:50 Trevor Steptoe: Do you worry that by giving the blogs so much of your attention that you're missing out on non-technical people's voices?

14:51 Aldon Huffhines: Anyway, I think that covers most of the things I wanted to talk about... Questions? Comments?

14:51 Ruby Glitter: that's a great example of distributed research.

14:51 errcheck Hicks: Keeping videocams on the perps can help

14:51 Jose Rote: Yeah I second that question

14:51 Aldon Huffhines: Trevor: No, because Ned was out meeting people every day....

14:51 Aldon Huffhines: He heard from all the seniors at the senior centers...

14:52 Aldon Huffhines: The thing to do is to incorporate the offline questions with the online questions...

14:52 Aldon Huffhines: That is where blogging can actually be interesting in helping with the dialog...

14:52 Aldon Huffhines: When bloggers attend senior center events, for example, they write about the events, and the questions and feed them into the blogosphere.

14:53 Aldon Huffhines: So, we get at least some sort of discussion that wouldn't happen other wise.

14:53 Ruby Glitter: yes, online compliments offlien and vice versa.

14:53 Aldon Huffhines: Videoing helps with that too, as well as with discouraging perps.

14:53 Aldon Huffhines: I will note that even having non-fucntioning video camera discourages the perps.

14:53 Ruby Glitter: heh.

14:54 Trevor Steptoe: Don't get me wrong, I've been blogging for a good while, but most of the transportation activists I meet consider "web stuff" peripheral.

14:54 Aldon Huffhines: Trevor: I think that raises an important issue that we tried to focus on a lot...

14:54 Aldon Huffhines: We need to be building bridge between people...

14:55 errcheck Hicks: That footage of the Replblican operatives storming the Florida Voting Board in 200 was powerful, when their names and organizations were revealed

14:55 Aldon Huffhines: The question isn't blogging or not blogging, for example... It is how do you get different groups to talk.

14:55 errcheck Hicks: 2000

14:55 Aldon Huffhines: (Much different than building bridges to nowhere)

14:55 Trevor Steptoe: Hehe

14:55 Emily Althouse: hint: embrace all the local heroes of the various ethnic communities. Scwartzenegger was great at that.

14:56 Aldon Huffhines: I like that Emily.

14:56 Viggo Engebretsen: yeah, smarmy as he is, he's good at taht

14:56 Ruby Glitter: Trevor, organizers that think online isn't relevant will increasingly be losing their own relevance and losing their elections.

14:57 Trevor Steptoe: Ruby: I agree, but I worry about losing the quiet voices.

14:58 Aldon Huffhines: Trevor, I think that is why citizen journalism is going to be important....

14:58 Aldon Huffhines: I like to say that blogging is just so 2004....

14:58 Drew Frobozz: Aldon, did you already talk about why you tried to get Lamont into Second Life, and why it didn't happen?

14:58 Ruby Glitter: Not everyone has to be online, but journalists are, decision-makers are. It has ot be part of the cmapign, but as i said you also can't win without real organizing on the ground.

14:58 Aldon Huffhines: With blogging, too many people spend too much time focusing on their own trip....

14:59 Aldon Huffhines: Good citizen journalism gets online people focusing on what is going on with people offline

14:59 errcheck Hicks: The better blogs are more outwardly focused

14:59 Aldon Huffhines: Drew: I think there were a few different things. It was too new too 'weird' for the traditional communications people...

14:59 Trevor Steptoe: The phrase "citizen journalist" is nice because it focuses efforts on external events. It's tricky, though, to get enough momentum in a CJ group.

15:00 Drew Frobozz: and Ruby, second life has the odd characteristic of being a) more like "on the ground" than anything else that is online, but b) far more limited to early adopters at this point than other online tools

15:00 Aldon Huffhines: Even bloggers can get stuck with what they know and not want to try something new...

15:00 Trevor Steptoe: I played a small part in the aborted Bayosphere project in SF, and there's a lot to learn about how to get a critical mass for CJ efforts.

15:00 Aldon Huffhines: For example, I told lots of follks from CT about this event today...

15:00 Aldon Huffhines: See any here?

15:01 Aldon Huffhines: I do think CJ will be even bigger in 2008 and I think it is something advocacy groups should really be focusing on.

15:01 Ruby Glitter: hello, In!

15:01 In Kenzo: hello

15:01 Aldon Huffhines: Anyway, I think that just about wrapps things up.l.... Ruby, do you have any final comments or announcements?

15:01 Aldon Huffhines: (Or does anyone else have any parting shots?)

15:01 Ruby Glitter: yes, thanks.

15:01 In Kenzo: good group here!

15:02 Ruby Glitter: I just ahve a few announcements.

15:02 Viggo Engebretsen: Hi, In Kenzo

15:02 Trevor Steptoe: Thanks for putting this together!

15:02 Ruby Glitter: First, please touch the things on the billboard to get some freebeies, touch the orb to get all at once.

15:02 errcheck Hicks: Thank you for your information and efforts Aldon!

15:02 Ruby Glitter: and please touch teh schedule to see what's coming up and to add yourself.

15:02 Ruby Glitter: yes, thank so much Alson!

15:03 Dak Hesse: title off

15:03 Drew Frobozz: and please join the "SL Netroots" group for occassional announcements

15:03 Ruby Glitter: Also, I want ask anyione whocame after the beginnign fo ryour approval to post teh chat log and photos online.

15:03 Ruby Glitter: Please say "yes" to agree.

15:03 Mobile Widget: yes

15:03 In Kenzo: yes

15:03 Dak Hesse: yes

15:03 Emily Althouse: yes

15:03 Trevor Steptoe: yes

15:03 Viggo Engebretsen: yes

15:03 Ruby Glitter: You can see some of our pictures on that viewer over there.

15:03 Jose Rote: yes

15:03 errcheck Hicks: Yes

15:03 Raquel Quelch: yes

15:03 Ruby Glitter: Did anyone not say yes? ;-)

15:04 Aldon Huffhines: (Oh and if anyone wants Ned Lamont buttons, let me know!)

15:04 Drew Frobozz: we know where you live... ;)

15:04 Jose Rote: I have a huge Draft Edwards 2008 Billboard if anyone wants it

15:04 Drew Frobozz: and please blog this and spread the word about the sessions tomorrow, Sunday, Monday, and Tuesday :)

15:04 Ruby Glitter: O, so tomorrow, we have an open thread/open house, then a talk with the leader of CODE PINK in SL.

15:04 Drew Frobozz: The Monday sessions in particular are going to be tremendous

15:04 In Kenzo: already on it Drew ;-) just posted to SLED listserv too.

15:04 Ruby Glitter: Sundsay, we have a Machinima session!

15:05 Drew Frobozz: and I'll be coming to you LIVE from RootsCamp San Francisco tomorrow and Sunday, which should be fun

15:05 Ruby Glitter: yes, then Monday and Tuesday are going to rock out as well.

15:05 errcheck Hicks: Ruby, thank you soo much, this is just the kind of thing I want here!

15:05 In Kenzo: who is coming from code pink?

15:05 Viggo Engebretsen: ruby, thank you very much

15:05 Ruby Glitter: Thanks so much for coming everyone!

15:05 Drew Frobozz: if anyone knows how I can have my iSite camera feeding video into our RootsCampSL venue here, please let me know! :)

15:05 Drew Frobozz: so you can view RootsCampSF live! :)

15:05 In Kenzo: wish it were that easy drew!

15:06 In Kenzo: was told we needed a live streaming client.

15:06 Aldon Huffhines: Drew, I believe there are some FAQs about that online. I'll see if I can find any.

15:06 Mobile Widget: for macs I have been told that a good tool is NICECAST

15:06 Trevor Steptoe: Drew: You'll need a streaming server (e.g. ice streaming server) and a client.

15:06 Trevor Steptoe: I don't know about a mac client, sadly.

15:07 Trevor Steptoe: http://www.icecast.org/ is the server

15:07 Mobile Widget: if you need some help or ideas Drew- often the peeps on the 'Macintosh Users' can help too.

15:08 Drew Frobozz: ok great. Is there anyone interested in really looking into this over the next 20 hours? I'll try but may have a hard time as I'm preparing a presentation about RootsCampSL to present to RootsCampSF

15:10 Aldon Huffhines: Okay, well, thanks everyone... I'm heading off for dinner...

15:10 Trevor Steptoe: I have a couple of hours now I can look for info. I'm on the road as of later tonight, though.

15:10 Jose Rote: bye Aldon

15:10 Drew Frobozz: thank you Trevor! :)

15:10 Jose Rote: next

15:10 Drew Frobozz: no worried if you can't, but would be nice to try

15:10 Viggo Engebretsen: 'm useless for tech stuff, social stuff i'm ok with but.. and dak had to log for a bit so...

15:10 Ruby Glitter: I am going to upload some pictures to add from today.

15:11 Jose Rote: these are good

15:11 Drew Frobozz: everyone take a look at http://rootscamp.pbwiki.com/RootsCampSFSessions and let me know if there is any you'd like me to ask questions at on your behalf.

15:11 Jose Rote: we should set up like NC Voter, AZ Voter, MI voter, etc groups, if we want to encourage politicians to visit SL

15:12 Jose Rote: bye everyone

15:12 Aldon Huffhines: Actually, I've been told that I have 20 minutes before dinner... So I think I'm going to listen to live music...

15:12 Trevor Steptoe: Later, Jose.

15:12 Drew Frobozz: thanks all

15:12 Aldon Huffhines: Anyone who wants to join me should ask for a TP

15:13 Drew Frobozz: quick question for anyone left (Ruby?)-- how do I put a texture on an object?

15:13 Viggo Engebretsen: this was so interesting

15:13 Ruby Glitter: Sure, Drew.

15:13 Ruby Glitter: When you are in the dit window, click on texture.

15:13 Drew Frobozz: I'm glad Viggo. Come back tomorrow at 1pm SLT/PST for more! :)

15:14 Drew Frobozz: and spread the word! :)

15:14 Viggo Engebretsen: thank you, i will, i will do both