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15:01 Ruby Glitter: Welcome back, Moo.

15:01 Ruby Glitter: Thanks for helping with this session.

15:01 In Kenzo: glad to have you here Moo!

15:01 moo Money: Thanks

15:01 In Kenzo: i was just watching your videoblog yesterday

15:01 moo Money: I've been having some comp issues with SL so I don't know if it will affect me now

15:01 moo Money: SL has been really wonky today

15:01 moo Money: Hey In!

15:01 Trevor Steptoe: Yeah, I'm seeing random lag spikes.

15:02 moo Money: I've had grid crashes, sim rollbacks, client crashes, etc

15:02 In Kenzo: lots of grid crashes all around

15:02 moo Money: lots of things not working too

15:03 Beth Kavka is Online

15:04 Ruby Glitter: Welcome< beth!

15:04 Beth Kavka: hi rhwew

15:04 Beth Kavka: rhwew

15:04 In Kenzo: good to see you beth

15:04 Beth Kavka: there

15:04 Beth Kavka: sorry just drove at 80 miles per hour from NH

15:04 moo Money: =O

15:04 Ruby Glitter: W00t! No tickets!

15:04 In Kenzo: i know that drive!

15:04 Beth Kavka: board meeting ..

15:05 Ruby Glitter: Sorry about the seats, they are a bit of a pain.

15:06 Ruby Glitter: So we are expecting one more speaker, and I thought Rik was going to facilitate. Let's give them a couple more minutes.

15:07 moo Money: Paul is on his way

15:07 Ruby Glitter: Great.

15:09 Ruby Glitter: FYI, for folks not enjoying the darkness, youcan select Force Sun > noon from the World menu.

15:09 Ruby Glitter: Welcome to RootsCamp, Hiro.

15:10 Ruby Glitter: Welcome back, Viggo.

15:10 Hiro Quasimodo: Thanks, Ruby

15:10 Hiro Quasimodo: Sorry I'm late

15:10 moo Money: Hiro is Paul Marino :)

15:10 Ruby Glitter: Oh!

15:10 Ruby Glitter: Well, extra welcome.

15:10 Viggo Engebretsen: hi thank you

15:10 Ruby Glitter: I am going ot go ahead and take a seat.

15:11 Ruby Glitter: Oh, that's nice.

15:11 moo Money: Going into busy mode so that I'm not disturbed :)

15:12 Ruby Glitter: Shallwe wait for Rik, or go ahead?

15:12 Hiro Quasimodo: I say we go ahead

15:12 In Kenzo: let

15:12 Beth Kavka: yep lets

15:12 In Kenzo: let's go for it!

15:12 Ruby Glitter: BTW< I also listed beth as a contributor for this session, she (and anyone) should chime in anytime!

15:12 Beth Kavka: I'm here to ask a lot of questions ..:-)

15:13 Ruby Glitter: OK, before we begin, let me ask everyone to please affiorm that you agree to the chat log and images of this sesison being posted online.

15:13 Old McDunnough: yes

15:13 Trevor Steptoe: yes

15:13 Hiro Quasimodo: yes

15:13 Beth Kavka: yes

15:13 Ruby Glitter: After that, Moo & Hiro have the floor.

15:13 moo Money: woops wrong button

15:13 Viggo Engebretsen: yes

15:13 Lola Namanari: Yes

15:13 Ana Herzog: me too i have a hard time keeping my mouth shut

15:13 Ana Herzog: yes

15:13 Aldon Huffhines: yes

15:13 moo Money: yes

15:13 Kelly Regent: (sigh) ok.

15:13 Beth Kavka: waist up

15:13 Ruby Glitter: Anyone NOT agree?

15:14 In Kenzo: all good glitter

15:14 Ruby Glitter: FYI, I will also be the "secretary' for this session.

15:14 In Kenzo: photos and chat logs too yes

15:14 Ruby Glitter: OK, go ahead, ya'll!

15:14 Beth Kavka: video capture?

15:14 In Kenzo: sure!

15:14 In Kenzo: that's what we are here for, right?

15:16 Ruby Glitter: Hrio, and

15:16 Ruby Glitter: Sorry.

15:17 Ruby Glitter: Oy. pardon me.

15:17 Ruby Glitter: So Rik Riel organized this session, and I understood that he woudl facilitate. But he is not here, so....

15:17 Redwind Oumionna is Online

15:17 moo Money: and that's it for the staredown part of the session

15:18 moo Money: :D

15:18 Ruby Glitter: I'd liek ot ask Moo and Hiro to each give a brief introductionto themslevs, including an explanation of what machinima is.

15:18 Hiro Quasimodo: hehehe

15:18 Hiro Quasimodo: Sounds good

15:18 Ruby Glitter: Thanks.

15:18 Hiro Quasimodo: Moo, ladies first

15:18 Ruby Glitter: You may ask the crowd for intros, or not. As you like. ;-)

15:18 moo Money: You're too kind

15:20 moo Money: My name is moo Money and I was hired by Ben Linden aka BuhBuhCuh Fairchild to promote machinima within SL. Since I started, submissions of Alt-Zoom Studio's Take5 Machinima Festival have grown from two to 20 every month. I travel the grid and educate.

15:21 Hiro Quasimodo: My name is Paul Marino (Hiro Quasimodo here in SL) and I lead the Academy of Machinima Arts and Sciences in New York - a very small non-profit organization that promotes Machinima as a creative medium. I'm also the author of the Art of Machinima,

15:21 Hiro Quasimodo: and a Machinima producer as well.

15:21 Beth Kavka: /calp

15:21 Beth Kavka: /clap

15:22 Hiro Quasimodo: The Academy holds the annual Machinima Festival in New York every year - of which the 2006 Festival wrapped up last week.

15:22 Hiro Quasimodo: Ok - by clapping, who has heard of Machinima before?

15:22 Trevor Steptoe: /clap

15:22 Viggo Engebretsen: /clap

15:22 Old McDunnough: /clap

15:22 Beth Kavka: /clap

15:22 Ruby Glitter: I have heard of it, but I can't explain it...

15:23 Beth Kavka: /clap

15:23 Hiro Quasimodo: Great - that's a good start

15:23 Beth Kavka: my avatar won't clap

15:23 Beth Kavka: but I've heard about it

15:23 Beth Kavka: and made 2

15:23 Hiro Quasimodo: but I'll explain a bit more of what it is for those who arent' able to articulate to others what it is.

15:23 In Kenzo: Yeah, Baby!

15:24 Hiro Quasimodo: Machinima is filmmaking within a virtual environment, mostly using video games and associated tech

15:24 Hiro Quasimodo: ...like Second Life

15:25 Hiro Quasimodo: People use all different types of video games to do this - depending on what the focus of their story is.

15:25 In Kenzo: even "filmmaking" is a weird word since there's no film, but it's like a cross between video production and roleplay.

15:25 Hiro Quasimodo: Right - but we use the word "filmmaking" because people automatically digest the meaning.

15:25 In Kenzo: yes...machinimatographers or machinimators hiro?

15:26 Hiro Quasimodo: Machinimators. :)

15:26 In Kenzo: that's what i want to know

15:26 Hiro Quasimodo: rather than explain "creating visually-based narratives using virtual characters"

15:26 In Kenzo: in learning to make machinima i read and spoke with a lot of animation producers.

15:27 Hiro Quasimodo: Most of which, who didnt understand it?

15:27 Viggo Engebretsen: i could use a more basic translation

15:27 Kelly Regent: computer animation for movie making. Got it.

15:27 Beth Kavka: movie making in a game envrionment?

15:27 In Kenzo: yes beth, that's how it plays out

15:28 Hiro Quasimodo: Right, applying the practices of live-action filmmmaking to the virtual space.

15:28 In Kenzo: you have actors, camera, even PAs and editors like on a traditional crew

15:28 Ruby Glitter: How would you say it's distinct from somethign like Flash animation?

15:28 Ruby Glitter: Just in that there's no game in Flash?

15:28 Trevor Steptoe: synthespians in space. got it.

15:28 Ruby Glitter: Ah, actors.

15:28 Beth Kavka: and, given that you are in an environment where anything is possible

15:28 Beth Kavka: how much do you push that

15:28 Beth Kavka: versus make it "realistic"

15:28 In Kenzo: i can pick up my camera now and capture us and make a documentary short in a matter of minutes, it's a very quick medium to work with when you're adept.

15:28 Beth Kavka: how much is fantasy part of the asethetic?

15:28 moo Money: That's a great movie title, Trevor :D

15:29 In Kenzo: New Media Consortium has a school opening for synthespians with Northwestern, coming early 2007.

15:29 Hiro Quasimodo: Well, its different from Flash, because Flash is a 2D animation platform - where as Machinima is all about capturing footage in a 3D space.

15:30 Hiro Quasimodo: Ok, is everyone clear on what Machinima is?

15:30 Old McDunnough: It's also chiefly about appropriating a different medium. Traditionally, that's mass. multi-player games.

15:30 Hiro Quasimodo: Yes - McDunnough

15:30 In Kenzo: more limited elsewhere, not limited by much here in SL

15:30 Old McDunnough: SL brings in a much different character to the mix.

15:30 Robins Hermano: yes

15:30 Viggo Engebretsen: thank you, that helps

15:31 Old McDunnough: At IU, we're studying the interface needs. Every environment (or tool) has a different set of limitation.

15:31 Ruby Glitter: OK, your stand-in facilitator: Can you talk about how Machinima is used - or could be used - for policial action or social change?

15:31 Hiro Quasimodo: Sure

15:31 Hiro Quasimodo: Machinima, because of its accessibility, allows people to express themselves about nearly every subject matter

15:32 moo Money: Machinima has been used for many things within SL, but one thing that hasn't really been touched upon much is political action

15:32 In Kenzo: We did one political piece here, well received machinima mashup with existing RL music video.

15:32 Beth Kavka: it was very well done!

15:32 moo Money: I've personally used it to raise awareness for things like charity

15:32 Beth Kavka: also cancer relay had one

15:32 In Kenzo: have seen very few otherwise, nuances in other shorts. loved it for the cancer walk!

15:33 Hiro Quasimodo: Outside of SL, some Machinima has been used for activisim and social commentary

15:33 In Kenzo: obviously easy to use for political campaigning

15:33 Trevor Steptoe: I wonder if the game-like appearance of SL machinima would make it more interesting to younger activists than something with, say, Al Gore?

15:33 Beth Kavka: also the net netrality

15:33 moo Money: Absolutely, In

15:33 Ruby Glitter: Please include URLs and references so it can go in our notes.

15:33 In Kenzo: much more affordable to produce than most animation, makes it more accessable to everyone.

15:33 Aldon Huffhines: I tried to get people to do machinima for the Lamont campaign, but couldn't find any good machinimators

15:33 moo Money: With tools such as Crazytalk and an abundance of actors, it wouldn't take much to produce a series of messages

15:33 Beth Kavka: what is crazytalk

15:34 Hiro Quasimodo: Right

15:34 In Kenzo: I can't wait to try crazytalk

15:34 Hiro Quasimodo: CrazyTalk is a program by Reallusion that allows you to create lipsync'ed characters

15:34 moo Money: Crazytalk is a third party postprocessing program that allows you to animate images to make their mouths move

15:34 In Kenzo: $150 for media pack, i'm guessing there's a nonprofit discount available too but haven't confirmed that yet.

15:34 moo Money: It's one of the only ways to animate the mouths of SL avatars

15:34 In Kenzo: view moo's videoblog

15:34 Beth Kavka: ok is that how they made that western?

15:34 moo Money: Actually, no

15:34 In Kenzo: Moo did an awesome demo of it

15:35 moo Money: The western, Silver Bells and Golden Spurs, was made by Linden Lab employees through Bedazzle Studios

15:35 Beth Kavka: but did it use lipsync?

15:35 moo Money: they hacked the skin map if I understand it correctly, and streamed the lip movement as a video

15:35 moo Money: It's not possible within SL

15:35 Robins Hermano: I don't recall lipsync'ing It was mostly narrated

15:36 Hiro Quasimodo: There was some scenese

15:36 Robins Hermano: YOu cou;dn't see the narrator, if I remember correctly

15:36 Beth Kavka: I have a question ...

15:36 Beth Kavka: what if you have folks who want to create machinima for nonprofit ..

15:36 Beth Kavka: and you had some comfort with tools

15:36 Beth Kavka: but you were not a machinima geek

15:36 Beth Kavka: just getting started

15:36 Beth Kavka: what is a simple project, approach to start?

15:36 Beth Kavka: to learn?

15:36 Beth Kavka: what would you suggest?

15:36 Hiro Quasimodo: There's a couple of ways to start

15:37 moo Money: Well, you could play with the built-in tools given to you by SL, Windows, or the Mac

15:37 Beth Kavka: control-shift-a ?

15:37 moo Money: There's a simple tutorial here: http://altzoom.buhbuhcuh.com/classroom/

15:37 Aldon Huffhines: I've never gotten control-shift-a to work.

15:37 moo Money: Neither have I

15:38 Beth Kavka: I did before the sept upgrade

15:38 moo Money: What I always had to do was manually do it within the menu

15:38 Hiro Quasimodo: Sometimes you might have applications that take over that shortcut

15:38 moo Money: Which is why I spent the 30 dollars and upgraded to fraps

15:38 moo Money: Trillian takes over that command for me

15:38 moo Money: but it's easy to edit out the additional footage

15:38 Aldon Huffhines: I've never gotten the menu to work either.

15:38 moo Money: if you want to just get a feel for it

15:38 Hiro Quasimodo: But FRAPS is a much better solution beyond the capture function in SL

15:38 moo Money: Oh hrm how odd

15:38 Beth Kavka: I got frapps and was going to upgrade ..

15:38 Aldon Huffhines: The only captures I've done have been with FRAPS

15:39 Old McDunnough: I'd like to know how you see the tools changing. Particularly for a single filmmaker. (In SL, it has to be cooperative work)

15:39 Aldon Huffhines: BTW, if you want a great example of what you can do with Machinima, check out:

15:39 moo Money: Well, not only is the built-in system cumbersome to start, it also lowers the FPS by a substantial amount and takes up a huge amount of space on your hard drive

15:39 Aldon Huffhines: http://movies.lionhead.com/studio/koulamata

15:39 In Kenzo: i capture in program on the mac

15:39 Hiro Quasimodo: Right - that's the French Democracy - it basically put Machinima on the map for a lot of people

15:40 moo Money: I can tell you right now that better machinima tools are not a high developmental priority for LL

15:40 In Kenzo: or to camera

15:40 moo Money: This came from Ben himself in August at the Second Life Community Convention

15:40 Aldon Huffhines: Too bad, I think better machinima tools would be a great boon for SL

15:40 Hiro Quasimodo: Alex Chan created the French Democracy last November in response to the riots outside of Paris.

15:41 In Kenzo: very sad to hear that moo, i've got more machinima calls for work than i can handle right now.

15:41 Aldon Huffhines: Hiro, can you tell us anything about what he went through to create The French Democracy?

15:41 moo Money: I feel your pain, Aldon

15:41 Hiro Quasimodo: He picked up the game, The Movies, and within a week had a film that expressed his views of the events of that week.

15:41 moo Money: Same here

15:41 Kelly Regent: I have a question: suppose I want to script the animations of two or more SL avatars in sync with eachother, how do I do this? An extended series of animation on pose balls?

15:41 moo Money: There are so few professional machinimists in SL and I wear out their IM buttons :)

15:41 Old McDunnough: The staging is quite limited in the Movies, but high quality otherwise.

15:42 Hiro Quasimodo: Yes, the Movies is very limited - but Alex was able to get his point across.

15:42 Multi Gadget v1.46.3 by Timeless Prototype

15:42 Multi Gadget v1.46.3 by Timeless Prototype

15:42 Hiro Quasimodo: Since then, a number of politically aware Machinima has been made

15:42 Old McDunnough: Can you talk about the community in SL? How easy is it to come into a space with an idea and get people to help with the characters?

15:42 Old McDunnough: Is there a guild or something?

15:43 Aldon Huffhines: SO Hiro, if I want to get started with Machinima, what are the best tools? SL? The Movies? Others? (IYHO)

15:43 moo Money: Well, Ben and I run a group called Machinimatographers

15:43 Multi Gadget v1.46.3 by Timeless Prototype

15:43 Multi Gadget v1.49.3 by Timeless Prototype

15:43 moo Money: It's free to join and there are lots of enthusiastic people willing to help out

15:43 moo Money: there are also several actors groups within SL

15:43 Hiro Quasimodo: Aldon - I would have to say, as a starting platform, either the Movies or SL.

15:43 moo Money: It's really a matter of time and money. Also whether you're filming yourself or asking others to do it.

15:43 Hiro Quasimodo: Two different approaches though

15:44 Aldon Huffhines: Also, if you have good pointers to other good politically aware machinima, I would love to find it

15:44 Hiro Quasimodo: Movies is more self-contained, SL is much more - almost necessary - collaborative

15:44 Aldon Huffhines: moo, I joined Machinimatographers, and haven't seen any activity...

15:44 moo Money: Most friends are more than willing to help

15:45 Aldon Huffhines: I got some tools, but they only seem to work for paid members.

15:45 moo Money: People frequently ask questions in the group, Aldon

15:45 Hiro Quasimodo: Aldon: Sure thing - would everyone like links to politically driven Machinima?

15:45 moo Money: It's been a bit quiet since the Ed Wood Festival, though

15:45 moo Money: What do you mean tools that only work for paid members?

15:46 Ruby Glitter: Yes, links please!

15:46 Hiro Quasimodo: Great - I'll put them together now

15:46 Aldon Huffhines: I forget the details, but to use the camera, or the lights, or something like that, you had to be able to create things that could only be created by paid members.

15:47 moo Money: The only reason you'd need to be a paid member of SL is if you wanted to live on the mainland

15:47 moo Money: Alt-Zoom and the Machinimatographers group would never ask for money for the features we currently offer

15:48 moo Money: I did find an enterprising individual in the group trying to charge people for things, which led me to change the group charter

15:48 moo Money: I actually have a tutorial on how to use the Alt-Zoom Camera up on my blog

15:48 Aldon Huffhines: I tried rezzing a "waypoint" object, and I was getting messages about needing to be a member to do that.

15:48 moo Money: http://moomoney.wordpress.com/2006/09/14/how-to-alt-zoom-camera/

15:48 moo Money: That's very odd

15:48 moo Money: It's a full-permission camera system

15:49 Aldon Huffhines: I'll try again and we can talk away from this session.

15:49 moo Money: Excellent

15:49 moo Money: That's just one resource that can be used for "dolly" shots

15:49 Nobody Fugazi: "dolly"?

15:49 moo Money: It's not a camera system in itself

15:49 moo Money: well, for smooth, fluid movements

15:52 moo Money: Action!

15:52 moo Money: Normally that works

15:52 moo Money: oh there we go

15:53 moo Money: so you can set up a series of waypoints to take you through a scene

15:53 moo Money: it's kind of like an automatic pilot mode

15:54 Trevor Steptoe: Neat

15:54 moo Money: if anyone would like a copy of the starterkit, just let me know :)

15:54 Old McDunnough: yes, please

15:54 Hiro Quasimodo gave you Political Machinima Examples.

15:54 Nobody Fugazi: yes, please. :-)

15:54 Trevor Steptoe: Yes, please.

15:54 Viggo Engebretsen: please, moo

15:55 Beth Kavka: yes ..

15:55 In Kenzo: the classes at alt-zoom help tremendously

15:55 Hiro Quasimodo: I have a notecard with some political Machinima examples

15:55 Viggo Engebretsen: thank you ver much moo

15:55 In Kenzo: http://inkenzo.blip.tv

15:55 moo Money: We'll be holding more classes soon

15:55 Viggo Engebretsen: please, hiro?

15:55 moo Money: For some reason not even Ben can list events to his OWN ISLAND

15:55 Hiro Quasimodo: just a small sampler, but some interesting pieces in that

15:55 In Kenzo: For the Camp Darfur mashup machinima, also shows at ManorMeta just across the island here

15:55 Aldon Huffhines: Hiro, I would love that notecard

15:56 Trevor Steptoe: Maybe we could copy the card into the RC transcript, Ruby?

15:56 Viggo Engebretsen: Thank you Hiro

15:56 Ruby Glitter: yes, definitely!

15:56 Ruby Glitter: I've got the card.

15:56 Ruby Glitter: In Kenzo, y'all are creating machinima at Manor Meta as well, right?

15:56 In Kenzo: yes, all the time

15:57 Ruby Glitter: Can you talk about what you are doing?

15:57 In Kenzo: http://inkenzo.blip.tv has my videoblog

15:57 Hiro Quasimodo: Cant see where Aldon is

15:57 Trevor Steptoe: RL calls. Thanks, all!

15:57 In Kenzo: the Camp Darfur mashup is there, but we are mostly doing machinima music shorts right now.

15:57 In Kenzo: prequel material for a series written for RL/SL production

15:57 Plotter 3010: A Schizophrenic Reporter has to accept the past and defeat the Meglomaniac Man in a riddle contest in a virtual world.

15:57 In Kenzo: hilarious!

15:58 In Kenzo: i love that plotter

15:58 Aldon Huffhines: Hiro, can you see me now?

15:58 In Kenzo: Right now I'm equipping and training a studio to do more machinima production here in LA

15:58 In Kenzo: so send me your kids, your interns and avatar actors ;-)

15:58 In Kenzo: i run a nonprofit organization

15:58 Macario Actil: hi

15:58 In Kenzo: and work with many other groups around the world, mostly aid and advocacy work.

15:59 Hiro Quasimodo: Can someone who has the notecard pass it along to Aldon? I cant see him

15:59 In Kenzo: we're just starting to explore machinima and SL building with grassroots groups in africa, asia.

15:59 moo Money: Wow

15:59 In Kenzo: camp darfur is one piece of that.

15:59 moo Money: I'm working on getting onto the Teen Grid to teach machinima

15:59 Drew Frobozz is Offline

15:59 moo Money: SO that they can forge their own paths

15:59 In Kenzo: this whole island is dedicated to interactive activism & global bridgebuilding. that rocks moo!

15:59 moo Money: erm so

15:59 Aldon Huffhines accepted your inventory offer.

16:00 Ruby Glitter: Done.

16:00 moo Money: I'm very excited about it

16:00 Emily Althouse is Offline

16:00 In Kenzo: we aim to build a creative community for kids and teens to create content for manormeta, long term.

16:00 Aldon Huffhines: Thanks

16:00 In Kenzo: manormeta, the home across the island there, is our hub for the family/educational development team. come by anytime. movies are showing there now, the camp darfur mashup and others shot here.

16:01 Ruby Glitter: Anyone else have questions?

16:02 Nobody Fugazi: /mg hide

16:02 Old McDunnough: I have to run, unfortunately. Sick kids to put to bed. But I would appreciate being in the loop about any shooting over the Christmas break. Do regular notices go out to Machinamator?

16:02 Aldon Huffhines: I guess my one remaining question is for the group here: Who wants to make some RootsCamp Machinima?

16:02 Viggo Engebretsen: Right now, Aldon?

16:03 Aldon Huffhines: Probably not right now,. Perhaps we should set up a session in the next week or so... it good rootscamp/barcamp style

16:03 Ruby Glitter: I'm willing to be an actor...

16:04 Aldon Huffhines: I want to spend a little more time going over what moo gave us..

16:04 moo Money: I would suggest asking the different groups if they're interested and try to involve friends, etc

16:04 Viggo Engebretsen: I'd be very interested, and i've got a friend in SL who is a film/directing student in UK who might be interested

16:04 Old McDunnough: I'd like to participate. It would be extra convenient if it happened after 11p Eastern and around the thanksgiving break

16:04 Ruby Glitter: At some point, we should definitely try that, Aldon.

16:04 Ana Herzog: i would like to watch and learn and document

16:04 Beth Kavka: me too ...

16:04 Old McDunnough: I'm being paged from upstairs, though. Thanks for the interesting info. Toodles.

16:04 Hiro Quasimodo: Right, as Moo said, people who you can trust to help

16:05 Aldon Huffhines: Maybe we should use the Wiki to try and plan out something like that.

16:05 Beth Kavka: aldon ... I'll play with you ..

16:05 moo Money: Indeed

16:05 Beth Kavka: but I gotta run

16:05 Beth Kavka: Thank you for a great session ..hiro and moo

16:05 Beth Kavka: thanks ruby for organizing this ..

16:05 Beth Kavka is Offline

16:05 moo Money: Well, I must step away for dinner. It's getting cold. If anyone has any questions, feel free to IM me

16:05 Viggo Engebretsen: Aldon, count me in

16:05 moo Money: I'm on at all hours usually and willing to explain things. :)

16:05 Hiro Quasimodo: Surely

16:05 Ana Herzog: thank you all for sharing your knowledge!

16:06 Ruby Glitter: Thanks so much to Hiro and moo!

16:06 moo Money: Thank you for having us

16:06 Ruby Glitter: This has been a very informational session!

16:06 Hiro Quasimodo: And feel free to IM me as well (though my time on SL is a bit limited these days)

16:06 Aldon Huffhines: I really want to see the Code Pink people here do some Machinima!

16:06 Viggo Engebretsen: thankd you moo, thank you Hiro

16:06 Ruby Glitter: Tomorrow we have THREE sessions, so please come by.

16:06 Medium Helvetic is Online

16:06 Ana Herzog: We are up for it. Just need to develop the skills

16:06 Hiro Quasimodo: You can also stay tuned to my blog: http://blog.machinima.org

16:06 Viggo Engebretsen: What times, Ruby?

16:07 Hiro Quasimodo: Very cool

16:07 In Kenzo: Thanks Hiro and Moo!

16:07 Drew Frobozz is Online

16:07 moo Money: Ahh yes. My blog is http://moomoney.wordpress.com

16:07 Hiro Quasimodo: Thanks everyone!

16:07 Ruby Glitter: 1pm, basic buiding wiht Jose Rote of ACORN,

16:07 moo Money: Thank you everyone and have a lovely Sunday evening!

16:07 Ruby Glitter: 2pm, The New Politics Begins: The Next Updraft of New Tools in the Rise of 21st-Century Progressivism w/Peter Leyden

16:07 Ruby Glitter: 3pm, Second Life political organizing and awareness raising overview w/ Rik Riel 7 In kenzo

16:07 Hiro Quasimodo: gnite

16:07 Ana Herzog: Bueno. Brava!

16:08 Nobody Fugazi: thanks Hiro.

16:08 Zachary Octagon: umm... byew

16:08 Ruby Glitter: Whoever made this box, please pick it up!

16:08 Nobody Fugazi: and moo :-)

16:08 Ruby Glitter: Sitting is overrated.

16:09 Redwind Oumionna is Offline

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