12:58 Ruby Glitter: This session will be on building objects in SL

12:58 Morris Vig: Hi errcheck

13:00 errcheck Hicks: I put some wearable pink slips in a box behind me.

13:00 Ruby Glitter: I see.

13:00 Drew Frobozz is Online

13:00 Ruby Glitter: Can you make sure the box is moveable? (I didn't check.)

13:01 In Kenzo is Offline

13:01 Ruby Glitter: Welcome, Farley.

13:01 Morris Vig: Hi Farley

13:01 Farley Scarborough: Hi

13:02 Morris Vig: Ruby - You know Ana Herzog?

13:02 errcheck Hicks: I believe it is, we did put a trivial price on it, $5L, because a little value is better than none.

13:02 Jose Rote: hello everyone

13:02 errcheck Hicks: Hi

13:02 Ruby Glitter: Hey Jose!

13:02 Morris Vig: Hi Jose

13:02 Jose Rote: hi Ruby, Morris

13:03 Jose Rote accepted your inventory offer.

13:03 Drew Frobozz: hey Ruby

13:03 Ruby Glitter: Welcome all

13:03 errcheck Hicks: Morris, I know Ana, she will be here 2pm

13:03 Morris Vig: Cool - neat lady.

13:04 Morris Vig: Never knew she was active in this context.

13:04 Morris Vig: But the Code Pink was a giveaway.

13:04 errcheck Hicks: Yes, I am a co-conspirator

13:04 Morris Vig: lol

13:05 Ruby Glitter: Welcome everyone.

13:07 Ruby Glitter: We usually have som stragglers, but let's get started with introductions.

13:07 Ruby Glitter: Also, does everyone here agree ot the chat log and pictures being posted online? Please indicate ot me if you do NOT agree.

13:07 Jose Rote: yes

13:07 Viggo Engebretsen: i agree

13:07 errcheck Hicks: Yes, I agree

13:07 Oscar Dieffenbach: yes, lady i agree

13:07 Boo Chalet: fine

13:07 Morris Vig: Is there any reason why we wouldn't want to?

13:08 Ruby Glitter: No, but you have a right to your privacy, MOrris.

13:08 Ruby Glitter: That's why we ask.

13:08 Morris Vig: Fair enough. Go ahead.

13:08 Ruby Glitter: The fastest way to do intros is just all type at once, but keep it on one line. Please include the length of time you have been using SL and your building experience.

13:08 Viggo Engebretsen: since june 2006 and very little

13:09 Boo Chalet: about a month and some building experience..

13:09 Morris Vig: I'm a reasonably new user - infrequent logons - and taken one class on building. Forgot most of what I learned.

13:09 Oscar Dieffenbach: scince september 2006, not so much building expirienc, but some expirience with photoshop

13:09 Ruby Glitter: I am Ruby Sinreich. And I am pretty new, but I built much of what you see here (except the natural environment), so i am catching on.

13:09 errcheck Hicks: I am Eric, I live in Venice California, I have been in SL for about 6 months, I am active in my community's politics, I have a Gallery in Venice Beach SL

13:09 Oscar Dieffenbach: and a bad keyboard^^

13:10 Jose Rote: I am Jose Rote, Jerimee in RL, and I live in Raleigh, NC

13:10 Ruby Glitter: Thanks for coming everyone.

13:11 Ruby Glitter: We asked Jose to lead this session because he has built a lot of thing through his work ACORN in SL.

13:11 Ruby Glitter: He will lead the session and I will do soem Q & A as we go.

13:11 errcheck Hicks: Great!

13:11 Ruby Glitter: Drew, can you be the secretary?

13:11 Oscar Dieffenbach: good.

13:11 Ruby Glitter: Sorry, drew can't do it.

13:11 Ruby Glitter: Does anyoen else wnat to be the secreatry? (If not, I'll do it.)

13:12 Viggo Engebretsen: what's involved, ruby?

13:12 Oscar Dieffenbach: what shal li do?

13:12 Oscar Dieffenbach: shall*

13:12 Jose Rote: Oscar can you keep track of the chatlog, just make sure you get a cut and paste of the whole thing at the end

13:12 Oscar Dieffenbach: ok...

13:12 Viggo Engebretsen: i can keep a back up, if needed.

13:12 Ruby Glitter: Also, take lots of pictures (everyone can do this).

13:12 Jose Rote: and then maybe Ruby can you more instructions, unless someone else would like to be secretary

13:13 Ruby Glitter: The other job os to ask new peopel if they agree ot the chatlogging, etc.

13:13 Ruby Glitter: I usualyl do it via IM so as not to interrupt.

13:13 Jose Rote: would others like to introduce themselves?

13:13 Jose Rote: or shall I start?

13:14 Ruby Glitter: yes new folks, please introduce yourself. We're interested in your building experience especially.

13:14 Viggo Engebretsen: Viggo Engebretsen, writer, healthcare worker, student, very little building so far

13:16 Ruby Glitter: Pete?

13:16 Ruby Glitter: OK, Iguess he's AFK. Lets' move on.

13:16 Drew Frobozz: he's coming...

13:16 Pete Sunnyside: I am pete leyden, who will be talking soon.

13:16 Ruby Glitter: Welcome, Delia.

13:17 Ruby Glitter: Want to introdcude yourself

13:17 Delia Lake: hi, Ruby and a;;

13:17 Delia Lake: all

13:17 Jose Rote: ok Oscar try to welcome new people as they come so they can get to intro themselves

13:18 Jose Rote: and I will start now

13:18 Oscar Dieffenbach: ok

13:18 Jose Rote: so this session is a quick intro into building in SL

13:18 Delia Lake: ok. in SL, i am the initiator of the ongoing redevelopment of the Center for Water Studies here on BWI

13:18 Jose Rote: I think since many of us share an intrest in progressive organizing . . .

13:19 Dayglo Maladay is Online

13:19 Jose Rote: that I will I demo the creation of a simple communication device

13:19 Jose Rote: what I will attempt to show you how to build is a simple notecard giver

13:19 Jose Rote: the object will give anyone who touches it a notecard

13:19 Jose Rote: is this a useful demo?

13:19 Morris Vig: yes

13:19 Jose Rote: ok cool

13:19 Oscar Dieffenbach: yes

13:20 Ruby Glitter: yes, I've been making a lot of those lately. ;-)

13:20 Jose Rote: so at the end of this demo, you will be able to click my object and get a notecard that will give you further tutorials as to how to build other objects

13:20 Jose Rote: there are three basic components to building:

13:20 Jose Rote: building the object

13:20 Jose Rote: scripting the object

13:21 Jose Rote: and texturing it

13:21 Jose Rote: building the object is setting up the 3D model

13:21 Jose Rote: scripting it allows it to interact with the environment and users and process logic

13:21 Jose Rote: and texturing it is "coloring it in" giving it's 2D faces some detail

13:22 Jose Rote: building is done almost exclusively in world, using the 2nd Life tools

13:22 Jose Rote: scripting can be done on any notepad, in or out of SL

13:22 Jose Rote: and texturing is done with a graphic program

13:22 Jose Rote: photoshop is the popular commericial program

13:23 Jose Rote: and GIMP is the freeware one that lots of people use

13:23 Jose Rote: so to build objects in SL you must be in land that allows for their creation

13:23 Jose Rote: sandboxes always allow, and many other places do to

13:23 Ruby Glitter: Jose, can you also include object permissions?

13:24 Jose Rote: it is important for you to clean up after yourself if you are building in land that does not belong to you

13:24 Ruby Glitter: For example we can build things here, but I need to be able to clean it up. ;-)

13:24 Jose Rote: if you are building in land that you do not own, you should "take" the object once you leave, or delete it

13:24 Ruby Glitter: Or at least give it full permissions so someelse can move it, etc.

13:25 Jose Rote: leaving it behind is litter, and if you litter, you may find yourself banned from those places you left stuff at

13:25 Delia Lake: yes, or someone else will have to clean up after you

13:25 Jose Rote: I will go into permissions at the end

13:25 Jose Rote: ok

13:25 Ruby Glitter: BY the way, if folks want ot leave information about their organizations, they can put with these other boxes here.

13:25 Jose Rote: so to create something

13:25 Jose Rote: right click the ground

13:25 Jose Rote: and select create

13:25 Jose Rote: you then get and edit window

13:26 Jose Rote: and when you move the mouse back to the ground you see a magic want cursor

13:26 Jose Rote: in the edit window you can select the simple shape you would like to create

13:26 Jose Rote: cube, cylinder, sphere, tube, etc.

13:27 Jose Rote: I will create a cube by selecting the cube icon from the edit window, and then clicking the wand on the ground

13:27 Jose Rote: I now get a simple cube

13:27 Jose Rote: the defaults dimensions are 0.5x0.5x0.5

13:27 Jose Rote: and the texture is a wood grain

13:27 Jose Rote: and there is no script

13:28 Jose Rote: so this cube will do nothing but sit here

13:28 Jose Rote: what I want the cube to do it to A) be a little taller, B) look a little better, and C) give you all a notecard that will teach you to do more

13:28 Jose Rote: I would like to take a couple minutes out so everyone can create an object

13:29 Jose Rote: let me know if you have difficulty

13:29 Jose Rote: who has made one?

13:29 Ruby Glitter: Me.

13:29 Morris Vig: I made an object

13:29 Ruby Glitter: trying to figure out what a "torus" shape is. ;-)

13:29 Jose Rote: anyone need help?

13:29 Krono Pro: a donut

13:29 Morris Vig: Isn't a torus a donut?

13:30 Jose Rote: ok if you need help, please don't be shy

13:30 Jose Rote: so now I will edit the shape

13:30 Jose Rote: first I will rename it

13:30 Pete Sunnyside is Online

13:30 Jose Rote: I will right click the object, and select edit

13:30 Jose Rote: now I will go to the general tab

13:30 Jose Rote: and select it

13:30 Jose Rote: and where it says name

13:31 Jose Rote: I will type "building tutorial giver"

13:31 Jose Rote: now

13:31 Jose Rote: I want to make it taller

13:31 Jose Rote: so I will go to the object tab (in the edit window) and go to where it says "size"

13:31 Jose Rote: if you are having trouble finding these tabs

13:32 Jose Rote: you need to select the more blue button on your edit windo

13:32 In Kenzo is Online

13:32 Jose Rote: that will give you these obtions

13:32 Jose Rote: ok now I am in the object tab

13:32 Jose Rote: and I do to size

13:32 Jose Rote: I go to size, and since I want to make it taller, I increase the Z dimension

13:32 Jose Rote: Z is height up and down

13:33 Jose Rote: now my object is much taller

13:33 Krono Pro is Offline

13:33 Dayglo Maladay is Offline

13:33 Jose Rote: one thing I found (and still find) a little confusing . . .

13:33 Jose Rote: is when you increase the dimensions, the object expands from the center

13:33 Jose Rote: so my increase was both up and down

13:34 Jose Rote: I will now edit the position of my object by draging the blue arrow upward

13:34 Morris Vig: Down into the land? Or does the center rise?

13:34 Jose Rote: so all of the object is about ground

13:34 Jose Rote: Morris: from the center the object expands both directions, up and down

13:34 Morris Vig: OK thx

13:35 Jose Rote: you can alter position by the blue arrow you see on the object, or by typing into the position forms under the object tab

13:35 Jose Rote: now that my object is the shape I want, and where I want it

13:35 Jose Rote: I will edit the texture

13:35 Ruby Glitter: I have foubnd the numerical controls very helpful.

13:35 Jose Rote: I will be using a texture I already have

13:35 Ruby Glitter: Especially when I have more than one thign that need to line up together.

13:36 Jose Rote: so all I need to do is click the texture tab

13:36 Ruby Glitter: There are tons of textures in the Library of your Inventory.

13:36 Jose Rote: and then click where I see wood grain

13:36 Jose Rote: and select a new texture

13:36 Delia Lake is Online

13:36 Carolina Keats is Offline

13:37 Jose Rote: I can play with the repeats and the rotation if I want to as well

13:37 Jose Rote: ok now, I need for the object to give you all the notecards

13:37 Jose Rote: I will go to the content tab

13:37 Jose Rote: and select new script

13:38 Jose Rote: when I do so SL will insert a default script that will say hello

13:38 Ruby Glitter: Before we get to that, is vereyone following?

13:38 Ruby Glitter: Do you have questions so far?

13:38 In Kenzo: nice mohawk

13:38 Ruby Glitter: Well, OK. Go ahead Jose!

13:38 Viggo Engebretsen: yes, i'm going to have to do this later, wehn i can read the directions over again and look at my pictures, but so far so good

13:39 Jose Rote: ok, you will see the script output as text from my object

13:39 Building Tut Giver: Hello, Avatar!

13:39 Ruby Glitter: Cool, Viggo.

13:39 Jose Rote: everyone saw Building Tut Giver say hello, right?

13:39 Ruby's obect: Hello, Avatar!

13:39 Jose Rote: now I can edit this script

13:39 Jose Rote: I double click it

13:39 Jose Rote: and get a notecard to open

13:40 Jose Rote: now I see the script events "state_entry" and "touch_start"

13:40 Jose Rote: this means "I will do this when I begin to exist" and "I will do this when I am touched"

13:40 Ruby Glitter: Ahh.

13:41 Jose Rote: anyone touching my object will cause it to say "touched"

13:41 Ruby's obect: Touched.

13:41 Jose Rote: I don't want the object to say "touched"

13:41 Morris' Item: Hello, Avatar!

13:41 Jose Rote: I want it to say, here is a notecard explaining how to building things

13:41 Jose Rote: and then to actually give the notecard

13:41 Morris' Item: Hello, friend!

13:42 Jose Rote: so first I will change the text in quotes in the llSay command

13:42 Jose Rote: now I must add another command

13:42 Ruby's obect: Hello, Avatar!

13:42 Jose Rote: to give the notecard

13:42 Building Tut Giver: Hello, Avatar!

13:42 Jose Rote: actually, before I do that, I will add the notecard to the object

13:43 Jose Rote: the way I will do that is by dragging and dropping it from my inventory

13:43 Jose Rote: to the contents folder of my object

13:43 Pink Frosted Donut: Hello, Avatar!

13:43 Ruby Glitter: Folks if you need a notecard to play with, you can get one by touching to the left image on the billboard.

13:43 Jose Rote: now the notecard is in the object's contents

13:44 Jose Rote: but it still won't give it to you if you touch it

13:44 Jose Rote: so I must add the command

13:44 Jose Rote: the command is something like

13:44 Jose Rote: give all objects contents

13:44 Minicrystal with welcome: Hello, Avatar!

13:44 Jose Rote: but I don't remember it exactly, so I will need to consult the reference

13:44 Minicrystal with welcome: Welcome to my Manor!

13:45 RiverSong Garden is Online

13:45 Jose Rote: you can LSL script references at http://rpgstats.com/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page

13:45 Jose Rote: it used to be hosted directly on secondlife.com

13:45 Jose Rote: but this is the one I use

13:45 Jose Rote: this will give you instructions on each command

13:45 ManorMeta seed crystal: Touched.

13:46 Ruby Glitter: can you tellus what commend you are using?

13:46 Building Tut Giver: Hello, Avatar!

13:46 Jose Rote: the command is llGiveInventory

13:46 Jose Rote: and it has two parts to it

13:46 Jose Rote: it looks like this

13:46 Jose Rote: llGiveInventory(llDetectedKey(0), "Building Tutorial");

13:47 Zebediah Godwin is Offline

13:47 Jose Rote: or llGiveInventory(key param1, string param2);

13:47 Ruby Glitter: And where does that go?

13:48 Enkidu Fanwood: Can anyone see me?

13:48 Jose Rote: the first param is a key, this is whose unique indentifier key to give the object to, and the second parameter is the string (text) that gives the title of the object I wish to give

13:48 Ruby Glitter: on the line after "111Say.."?

13:48 Ruby Glitter: No, Enkidu. where are you?

13:48 Object: Hello, Avatar!

13:48 Enkidu Fanwood: having serious problems

13:48 Object: Hello, friends!

13:48 RiverSong Garden: LOL

13:48 Jose Rote: I put all this with the { } braces of the tocuh_start event

13:49 ManorMeta seed crystal: Touched.

13:49 Enkidu Fanwood: how do I give you a snapshot?

13:49 In Kenzo: can someone else touch this crystal?

13:49 Enkidu Fanwood: I can't see anyone

13:49 Jose Rote: I can put it before or after the llSay command

13:49 Enkidu Fanwood: the whole sim is flashing

13:49 Enkidu Fanwood: and seriously pixelated

13:49 In Kenzo: see me now

13:49 Ruby Glitter: Enkidu, try quitting and logging back in.

13:50 Jose Rote: llGiveInventory(llDetectedKey(0), "Building Tutorial"); means: "give inventory (within my contents) to the key of the person who clicked me, that is named "building Tutorial"

13:50 In Kenzo: that's wild

13:50 Enkidu Fanwood: yeah

13:50 Enkidu Fanwood: weird

13:50 Enkidu Fanwood: really psychedelic actually

13:50 Enkidu Fanwood: lol

13:50 Building Tut Giver: Here is a notecard.

13:50 Ruby's obect: Hello, Avatar!

13:50 Jose Rote: ok now

13:50 In Kenzo: practical toolbuilding here

13:50 Jose Rote: anyone can click my object

13:50 errcheck Hicks: I have a Give all script in my object which will put everything into a folder.

13:50 Jose Rote: and get the tutorial on building

13:51 Ruby's obect: I've been edited.

13:51 Jose Rote: you should do this, because the tutorial gives you a lot more detail

13:51 In Kenzo is Offline

13:51 Jose Rote: from Boo I got a notecard saying: So far 52,142 Iraqi men, women, and children have dies so you can feel safe.

13:51 Pink Frosted Donut: Touched.

13:51 Ruby Glitter: Cool.

13:51 Ruby's obect: Here is a notecard about one of our sponsors.

13:52 Jose Rote: I got a notecard from Ruby

13:52 Pink Frosted Donut: Touched.

13:52 Building Tut Giver: Here is a notecard.

13:52 Building Tut Giver gave you Building Tutorial.

13:52 Oscar Dieffenbach: you have an nice avatar

13:52 Oscar Dieffenbach: ops

13:52 Note card giver! gave you Peace note.

13:52 Note card giver! gave you Rotation Script.

13:52 You decline -Floating text from Note card giver!.

13:53 Ruby's obect: Here is a notecard about one of our sponsors.

13:53 Jose Rote: ok if you haven't done so you should grab the building tutorial from the wood object I made

13:53 Jose Rote: what questions do people have?

13:53 Building Tut Giver: Here is a notecard.

13:53 Pink Frosted Donut: Touched.

13:53 Building Tut Giver: Here is a notecard.

13:53 Building Tut Giver: Here is a notecard.

13:53 Building Tut Giver: Here is a notecard.

13:53 Building Tut Giver: Here is a notecard.

13:53 Ruby's obect: Here is a notecard about one of our sponsors.

13:53 Ruby's obect gave you Netcentric.

13:53 Krono Pro is Online

13:54 Jose Rote: questions?

13:54 Drew Frobozz: sorry quick non-sequitor intro since I missed before... I'm Andrew Hoppin, the other RootsCampSL organizer, also with CivicSpace, Goodstorm, NASA, Trellon, YearlyKos, and the New Organizing Institute

13:54 errcheck Hicks: The permissions system needs attention if you wish to give objects

13:54 Drew Frobozz: this is great jose-- thank you

13:54 Morris Vig: None right now - I'm going to have to work with the notecard thing. But your tutorial surely will help.

13:54 Jose Rote: thanks errcheck

13:55 Jose Rote: ok so permissions are tricky (I find them so) so I will only give a brief overview of them

13:55 Ruby Glitter: This has been helpful. I have been working with borrowed scripts from the ICT Library, but now I understand better how they work.

13:55 Ruby Glitter: yes, permissions!

13:55 Jose Rote: permissions are the options that allow you to determine how other people use the stuff you create

13:56 Jose Rote: there are three permissions you can give, or forbide to other users of your objects

13:56 Jose Rote: select them with care

13:56 Jose Rote: the first is modify

13:56 Jose Rote: the 2nd copy

13:56 Jose Rote: and the 3rd transfer

13:56 Jose Rote: modify means: allow next user to edit what I have made

13:56 Jose Rote: copy means: allow next user to copy

13:57 Jose Rote: and transfer: allow next user to give or sell to someone else

13:57 Ruby Glitter: moving counts as editing right? ie: modify?

13:57 Jose Rote: if you are creating an object, and you don't want others to mess with it

13:57 Jose Rote: uncheck all these boxes

13:57 Jose Rote: however

13:58 Jose Rote: some thing need to have certain permission to function

13:58 Boo Chalet: forgive me, real life calls......

13:58 Jose Rote: such as a notecard has to allow for copy or modify rights, in order for someone to read it

13:58 Jose Rote: if you do not set permissions correctly the notecard cannot be read

13:59 Jose Rote: when experimenting with permissions, get a friend to help

13:59 Jose Rote: as you will need them to tell you what they can do with your object, once it has passed into their possesion

13:59 Jose Rote: anyone who wants a guide to permissions say so

14:00 Jose Rote: and I will give it to you

14:00 errcheck Hicks: I'd like a guide

14:00 Jose Rote gave you Setting Permissions.

14:00 errcheck Hicks: Gratzi

14:00 Jose Rote: anyone else?

14:00 Morris Vig: sure

14:00 Jose Rote: ok, other questions?

14:01 Ruby Glitter: Thanks.

14:01 Morris Vig: thx

14:01 Jose Rote: ok I will turn it back over to Ruby

14:01 errcheck Hicks: Permissions usually mess me up so be careful and test

14:01 Ruby Glitter: Thank you, ose!

14:01 errcheck Hicks: Thank You!

14:01 Ruby Glitter: er, you what I mean. ;-)

14:01 Jose Rote: ercheck: yeah me too

14:02 Ruby Glitter: I am actually going to ask Drew to introduce our next speaker, who is Pete Sunnyside.

14:02 Viggo Engebretsen: thank you Jose

14:02 Drew Frobozz: Ok folks, I'd like to introduce our next speaker

14:02 Ruby Glitter: Welcoem back, trevor.

14:02 Trevor Steptoe: Hey!

14:02 Trevor Steptoe: (Yes to logging)

14:03 Drew Frobozz: So Pete (aka Peter Leyden) is a friend and colleague here in San Francisco who runs the New Politics Institute (www.newpolitics.net)

14:03 Hayduke Ebisu is Offline

14:03 Drew Frobozz: he's quite a luminary in the realm of technology for progressive politics and we're lucky to have him

14:04 Drew Frobozz: he has a great history (one of the first folks at Wired etc.) that you can Google sometime too

14:04 Drew Frobozz: he's going to chat with us today about the new tech tools we used in this historic election last week, and what's coming next...

14:04 Drew Frobozz: so, Pete, hit it! :)

14:05 Pete Sunnyside: wow, hanks for all that.

14:05 Pete Sunnyside: I'm sitting in the pouring rain in sf and it's great to be here.

14:05 Pete Sunnyside: I have been up to my eyeballs int he election and trying to figure ti out.

14:06 Pete Sunnyside: this has not been an ordinary election, but an historic one.

14:06 Pete Sunnyside: in many wasy, but I want to talk about the cuspt we are on with the new tools.

14:06 Pete Sunnyside: and I want to have you also join in a discussion about what you saw that worked out there.

14:06 Pete Sunnyside: will that work for you ?

14:06 Ruby Glitter: Sounds good.

14:07 Morris Vig: yup

14:07 errcheck Hicks: Sounds great

14:07 Trevor Steptoe: Works for me.

14:07 Pete Sunnyside: I think the historic part needs to be said over and over again:

14:07 Pete Sunnyside: this eleciton saw the end of the conservative era, pure and simple.

14:07 errcheck Hicks: Blessed be

14:07 Pete Sunnyside: their brand is now so problemati.

14:07 Pete Sunnyside: think hoover.

14:08 Zuru Cult: hola

14:08 Pete Sunnyside: and mean that. it will take a long time for them to rearise.

14:08 Pete Sunnyside: if that is a word.

14:08 Pete Sunnyside: but this eleciton also marked the beginning of a new era in tools.

14:09 Pete Sunnyside: we saw the end of the era of big tv 30-second ads.

14:09 Pete Sunnyside: this is how polticis for better or worse has been conducted for the last 30-40 years.

14:09 Pete Sunnyside: and it still played a big part this cycle, but....

14:09 Pete Sunnyside: you can now see the beginnings of the new wave of new media tools that will replace it.

14:10 errcheck Hicks: I think racist narrowcasting get exposed on Youtube

14:10 Pete Sunnyside: they did not change the eleciton this time, but they showed the way to how politics will be conducted, increasingly, in the future.

14:10 Morris Vig: All sorts of narrowcasting was brought to light.

14:10 Ruby Glitter: It sems liek there are still campaigns ads, but the difference is they get dissected on the blogs and even the MSM sometimes.

14:10 Pete Sunnyside: right.

14:10 Pete Sunnyside: the your tube phenom idd have a bite this cycle.

14:11 Pete Sunnyside: they actually can claim some credit and not jsut a line towards the future.

14:11 Morris Vig: "War Room" tactics became individualized. Anyone could post immediate responses or rebuttals.

14:11 Pete Sunnyside: I was thinking about five areas that we might all talk about this pedriod:

14:12 Pete Sunnyside: the quick response that vig said is one good one.

14:12 Pete Sunnyside: but let me put half a dozen others and then we can talk abou tthem one by one.

14:12 Pete Sunnyside: bottom up video, or viral video, however you want to say.

14:12 Pete Sunnyside: mobile media, thru cell phones.

14:13 Pete Sunnyside: social networking.

14:13 Pete Sunnyside: games, like right here.

14:13 Pete Sunnyside: and then blogging taken to a higher level.

14:13 Pete Sunnyside: and finally, the use of search ads.

14:13 Pete Sunnyside: do others want to put some out?

14:13 Morris Vig: blog networks=progressive echo chamber

14:14 errcheck Hicks: I got c call to cell phone parties everyday in email

14:14 Pete Sunnyside: those are good others?

14:14 Trevor Steptoe: Geographical tools, like the donation maps.

14:14 Pete Sunnyside: yeah, the mapping and visualiztion is there too.

14:14 errcheck Hicks: I blogged a progressive voter ticket and got thousands of hits and several thankyous

14:15 Pete Sunnyside: the blogs clearly were the biggest deal, as you point out.

14:15 Pete Sunnyside: when you think about it, the senate owes all the thanks to the blogosperhee, with tester and webb as the two pivotal races.

14:16 Pete Sunnyside: those two canddidates were born out of the netroots and blogs.

14:16 Pete Sunnyside: and they tipped the scales.

14:16 Morris Vig: let's hope that they REALLY understand that and are not giving lip service to netroots.

14:16 Pete Sunnyside: don't let the media push back and say the lamont losss shows weakened power.

14:16 Pete Sunnyside: that is simply not true.

14:17 Pete Sunnyside: they don't really know that. it's up to us to make sure that message sinks in.

14:17 Zuru Cult: YEEEAAAAHH!!!

14:17 Pete Sunnyside: the spin fights are taking place right now.

14:17 Ruby Glitter: Lamont lost b/c republicans voter for Lieberman.

14:17 Zuru Cult: yes

14:17 Pete Sunnyside: and lieberman was on meet the press on sunday, not tester or webb.

14:17 Morris Vig: lieberman had to be spanked to send the message to DC

14:17 Morris Vig: regardless of Lamont.

14:18 Pete Sunnyside: what do you mean by spanked?

14:18 errcheck Hicks: The BlueDog Democrats have money and connections, and Republican Friends

14:18 Morris Vig: The Democratic Party had to send a message that being a DINO was unacceptable.

14:18 Pete Sunnyside: true, but we have a people-powered movement.

14:18 Pete Sunnyside: and mmentum, and excitement, and youth.

14:18 Zuru Cult: right

14:18 Pete Sunnyside: many assets.

14:19 errcheck Hicks: I campaigned for Winograd

14:19 Pete Sunnyside: do you want to say something about your exp[eriemence?

14:19 Morris Vig: and tech knowledge that can run circles around most.

14:19 Pete Sunnyside: ok, let's keep moving on some other topics.

14:20 Pete Sunnyside: how about viral video.

14:20 Pete Sunnyside: we all know mny of the major examples, like maccaca, etc. but let's talk about what everynoe sw that worked?

14:20 Pete Sunnyside: cna people give what they thought were effective bottom up videos?

14:20 Morris Vig: Colbert @ Correspondents Dinner

14:21 Pete Sunnyside: that was amazing. and a place where we once would not ahve seen.

14:21 Ruby Glitter: W00t!!!

14:21 Rik Riel: Daily Show on Net Neutrality to some extent

14:21 errcheck Hicks: I think that John Stewart's constant deconstruction of politics and Colbert and Bill Maher, I'll even credit Rosanne

14:21 Ruby Glitter: I dn't think Colbert even realized how revolitionary that was until afterward.

14:21 Morris Vig: probably true

14:21 Viggo Engebretsen: can someone define viral video for me?

14:21 Ruby Glitter: yes, as Ana from Code Pink was saying here on Saturday, the role of jester can be very effective.

14:22 Zuru Cult: i think the mashing up of the adminsitration's words (maybe "remixing" is a better term) in various forms

14:22 Zuru Cult: was really effective

14:22 Zuru Cult: be it jon stewart or home-brew

14:22 Morris Vig: politics is more effective when made fun, not angry

14:22 Pete Sunnyside: I call viral video the youtube-y and bottom-up video created or pushed onward by regular poeple and not the old tv powers.

14:22 Ruby Glitter: Viggo, "viral" really just means that it spreads itself from person to person instead of being broadcast from one source.

14:22 errcheck Hicks: People like seeing the mythologies and pretenses of opressive power deconstructed

14:22 Viggo Engebretsen: thank you

14:22 Morris Vig: lots of emailing or blogging of video clips

14:22 Pete Sunnyside: it is all the video that can get passed on from person to person.

14:22 Trevor Steptoe: Before it was pulled for terms of use violation, there was a video some kids made in Gizmoz with a 3D GWB saying he was sorry to various terrorists.

14:23 Morris Vig: lol

14:23 Trevor Steptoe: Gizmoz: http://www.gizmoz.com/

14:23 Zuru Cult: jon stewart is probably shared as much as video clips on the net (thanks to comedy central) as much as people watch the whole show

14:23 Pete Sunnyside: For me, I can't tell you how much I enjoyed every day getting sent links to new videos each day.

14:23 Morris Vig: In my congressional district, the D challenger made a "JibJab"-animation type ad about the R incumbent that got some play online.

14:23 Pete Sunnyside: how many times would you be able to see videos from southern mn?

14:24 Pete Sunnyside: Or other places.

14:24 Pete Sunnyside: for example, did you see the michele bachmann video from a blogger in soutehrn MN?

14:24 Zebediah Godwin is Online

14:24 errcheck Hicks: No

14:24 Morris Vig: No

14:24 Pete Sunnyside: this bguy got her talking to a church group about how god had told her to run and was now focused on her race like a laser beam.

14:25 Ruby Glitter: Wow, i just mentioned you moments ago, Ana.

14:25 Trevor Steptoe: That video hit wonkette, no?

14:25 Ana Herzog: :-)

14:25 Pete Sunnyside: he just grabed her semi-public appearance and then showed itot the world. the regular media in Minnesota picked it up and it became an issue.

14:25 Morris Vig: In the same vein, the Webb election eve rally really gave a sense of how big the Webb movement had become.

14:26 Pete Sunnyside: the thing about this new tool is that it allows all those private and semi-private meetings of before to be exposed and made transparent.

14:26 Pete Sunnyside: tell me about thatwebb thing.

14:27 Pete Sunnyside: did it show how big the crowd was?

14:27 Pete Sunnyside: vig?

14:27 Morris Vig: It was a handycam (NOT a steadycam!) video of the last rally. clinton spoke, warner spoke, web spoke. Huge event.

14:27 Pete Sunnyside: yes, it showes big crowds and small.

14:27 Morris Vig: The camera was about 20-ish deep. Crowd noise made it hard to hear the speakers

14:27 Morris Vig: Gave impression of huge event.

14:28 Pete Sunnyside: int he past the R's have been great at managing events so that the TV shots did not show who was in the crowd or how big or how staged.

14:28 Pete Sunnyside: with people grabbing the shots and uploading them, the game changes.

14:28 Pete Sunnyside: I think this video shift will go down as the biggest one to date.

14:28 Ruby Glitter: Accountability!

14:29 Pete Sunnyside: the main reason also is that the era of the 30 second tv ad is coming to a close.

14:29 Pete Sunnyside: iwthin the next two years the Tivo phemon will hit big-time.

14:29 Pete Sunnyside: one third of all americans will have tivo or the similar thing by the 08 elections.

14:29 Pete Sunnyside: this is a conservative projection.

14:29 Pete Sunnyside: this is causing big trauma in the boradcast tv world.

14:30 Pete Sunnyside: and it is going to shake up poltiics big time too.

14:30 Morris Vig: Pete, did the DNC web-ads (like the one where Bush ended stay the course) have much effect?

14:30 Pete Sunnyside: so look ot th bottom up video to start to fill in the coming void.

14:30 Pete Sunnyside: we shold be all over it and master how to use it well.

14:30 errcheck Hicks: /There was also a series of events that exposed R hipocracy and corruption, that undermined their "holier" spin

14:31 Pete Sunnyside: I don't know the exact answer to that. partly because it is so soon ot the eleciton.

14:31 Pete Sunnyside: you mean video that undermined the holier spin?

14:31 Ana Herzog: Have you addressed the internal conflicts --- say DLC versus DNC versus PDA? and how that will play out via indy media?

14:32 Pete Sunnyside: I have not dealt with that yet.

14:32 errcheck Hicks: The Pages, Macaca, ...

14:32 Ana Herzog: ok....

14:32 Pete Sunnyside: can I ust say one thing on the factional infighting?

14:32 Morris Vig: Agreed, err...and the video/blog networks blew them up big.

14:32 Delia Lake: bye al :)

14:32 errcheck Hicks: Please

14:33 Viggo Engebretsen: I'm sorry, again, i need some help: DLC, DNC, PDA, MaCacca? Pages? I've been afk sorry

14:33 Pete Sunnyside: I tink we really ahve to be very tolerant this period about avoding the internal fighting.

14:33 Delia Lake: rl time

14:33 Trevor Steptoe: Bye, Delia.

14:33 Ruby Glitter: What is PDA?

14:33 Drew Frobozz: progressive democrats of america

14:33 Ana Herzog: Progressive democrats of america

14:33 Zuru Cult: progressive dems of america

14:33 Morris Vig: Agreed, Pete - lots of paradigm shifting as the D's get used to having power again.

14:33 Ana Herzog: dnc (democratic national committee)

14:34 Pete Sunnyside: I like to think about a big tent progressivism.

14:34 Drew Frobozz: (Ana, Zuru, I buzzed in first on PDA so I win)

14:34 Ruby Glitter: ;-)

14:34 Pete Sunnyside: historiaclaly there have been broad progressive updrafts in hisorty.

14:34 Zuru Cult: heh

14:34 Ana Herzog: dlc (democratic leadership council ---

14:34 Ruby Glitter: Gold star for Drew.

14:34 Zebediah Godwin is Offline

14:34 Zuru Cult: dnc = democratic national cmte

14:34 Zuru Cult: woo!

14:34 Pete Sunnyside: when those happen, the coalition behind the progressives is wide.

14:34 Ruby Glitter: I wonder how much of this victory has to do with republicans gettign arrogant and flying too close to the sun, liek Icarus

14:34 Zuru Cult: right

14:35 Ruby Glitter: I mean the tools are evolving, but they are used well on both sides now.

14:35 Ana Herzog: there have also been people on the ground doing outrageous things to keep the hypocracy in the media

14:35 Pete Sunnyside: e have to try and stay together on a naitonal agenda like the conservatives have done in their time.

14:35 Morris Vig: Macaca - VA Sen. Allen's slur of a non-caucasian Webb worker...got blown up with viral video. Probably brought Allen down more than anything else.

14:35 Ana Herzog: for several years

14:35 Pete Sunnyside: ana, what are you referring to?

14:36 Zuru Cult: didn't allen have previous racial issues?

14:36 Ana Herzog: codepink getting thrown out of every televised event in washington

14:36 Morris Vig: Wasn't brought out on video, Zuru.

14:36 Ana Herzog: when it wasn't popular

14:36 Ruby Glitter: Yes, Zuru, but no-one was talking about them befor ethe Maca incident. It was the first step in his slide downhill. Couldn't stop the momentum.

14:36 Trevor Steptoe: But what can activists do to encourage viral video? Does anyone run a library of public clips for remix?

14:36 errcheck Hicks: Stay together is good, but if the war doesn't end soon, the DLC will have a problem

14:36 Pete Sunnyside: did you get that kind of thing on video and put it out?

14:37 Ana Herzog: indy media folks reporting on the grannies arrest for weeks before national media picked it up

14:37 Ruby Glitter: Trevor, youtube is out library.

14:37 Ana Herzog: pics and video

14:37 Ruby Glitter: We should all agre eon a consistent tag to use...

14:37 Ruby Glitter: ouR library

14:37 Joy Link is Online

14:37 Trevor Steptoe: Most of the videos that had effect were one offs. Single events that were captured, usually not edited.

14:37 Morris Vig: Agreed

14:38 Morris Vig: Witness to history clips

14:38 Ana Herzog: getting info out and not caring about the spin and polish

14:38 Pete Sunnyside: ruby, what are you referring to about the tags and libracy?

14:38 Trevor Steptoe: Youtube is the distribution, but I wonder if making as many speeche and rally videos available would let people mix up their own messages.

14:38 Ruby Glitter: Well YouTube allows you to tag videos, just liek Flickr tags photos, delicious tags links, etc.

14:38 Ruby Glitter: We can find each other if we use the same tags.

14:39 Ana Herzog: sort of like lc subject headings

14:39 Pete Sunnyside: are you saying that rootscamps shoudl have thier tag fo the best stuff?

14:39 Morris Vig: Kinda of how you add an extra $.01 to an online donation to show that it's from the netroots.

14:39 Ruby Glitter: Sure, we could. For example, the nonprofit technology community uses the tag NPTECH.

14:39 Ruby Glitter: Then they can all share good resources with each other via delicious, and other sites.

14:39 Pete Sunnyside: that might be a very good idea.

14:39 Ana Herzog: but how do we get that info out to folks that are not aware

14:40 Trevor Steptoe: Also, groups could create feeds that point to videos and make them available via iTunes.

14:40 Ana Herzog: it is a great idea

14:40 Trevor Steptoe: Video podcasts.

14:40 Pete Sunnyside: I have been wanting to get our commun ity to figure out the best of the best of the last cycles tools innovations. we could do that with videos.

14:40 Pete Sunnyside: we have a lot of learnign to do aobut what worked this cycle and what probalby will work int he next.

14:41 Pete Sunnyside: we dont' have a lot of time, so can we also talka aobu tsome other tools?

14:41 Pete Sunnyside: how about mobile media?

14:41 Zuru Cult: videos were very effective in our DFA meetings during the '04 primaries

14:41 Zuru Cult: there was some grassroots remixing/mashups going on even then

14:41 Pete Sunnyside: did people see good examples in that space?

14:41 Morris Vig: I heard that the popup videos of candidates welcoming visitors to their sites - with a 20-ish second live video - increased visitor retention by huge levels.

14:41 Ruby Glitter: We could each syndicate the feed from the collecive tag on our blogs, etc.

14:41 Morris Vig: DFA DVD's were a godsend

14:41 Zuru Cult: morris - yes

14:42 errcheck Hicks: ??DFA

14:42 Zuru Cult: but that was before uploading/sharing videos were really really easy

14:42 Zuru Cult: dean for america

14:42 Morris Vig: Dean for America

14:42 Rik Riel: Pete, you mean SMS, cell phones, PDAs?

14:42 Pete Sunnyside: yes, all the things we can now do with cell phones.

14:42 Ana Herzog: i think we also have to remember that high end computer equipment is inaccessible by lots of folks and will remain so.... and we need to do still pics on all video worthy events too

14:42 Zuru Cult: ana - yes, but we can burn Dvd's and even vhs really easy for those you can't get the computer access

14:42 errcheck Hicks: I believe these will become ever more important, but the content is still video, music, and voice

14:43 Pete Sunnyside: that's where cell phones come in. all minority groups and most americans do have access to phones, if not all cgood laptops.

14:43 Ruby Glitter: True.

14:43 Ana Herzog: we acrtivists have the tech, but our audiences do not all have em.

14:43 Morris Vig: So true, Ana

14:43 Zuru Cult: if the US follows places like India, the primary computing/network device will become the phone

14:43 Ana Herzog: third and fourth world people may not have cell access

14:43 Morris Vig: Especially the older folks

14:43 Pete Sunnyside: I mean cell phones. we have looked at ht epenetration and it is igher in African american and hispanic demos than in whites.

14:44 Ruby Glitter: Cell phones are VERY pervasive now. Increasingly in the developing world too.

14:44 Zuru Cult: i work in India and its amazing how many smartphones you see

14:44 Pete Sunnyside: so what worked in polticis this cycle? anyone see good examples?

14:44 Ruby Glitter: They have been effective at mobikizaing peopel in Argentina, Korea, etc.

14:44 Rik Riel: I think it's largely an untapped technology.

14:44 Morris Vig: I think that the blog echo chamber forced issues out from the shadows into the major media

14:44 errcheck Hicks: I got a number or Robo-calls, but I just hang up, I can't stand them.

14:44 Morris Vig: Kos, MyDD, Atrios, etc.

14:45 Zuru Cult: you guys know about current.tv?

14:45 Pete Sunnyside: I now the young poeple at musica for america sent out 30,000 text messages to get poeple to the polls on eleciotn day.

14:45 Morris Vig: yup

14:45 Rik Riel: wow!

14:45 Ana Herzog: text is fantastic

14:45 Ana Herzog: text mob

14:45 Zuru Cult: current tv has got these contests for cell-video

14:45 Zuru Cult: create a "pod" on a camera

14:45 Pete Sunnyside: tell us more about current.

14:45 errcheck Hicks: Text is probably better than robocalls, because it's not as intrusive, it's cooler

14:45 Zuru Cult: if thats not accessible, I don't know what is

14:45 Zuru Cult: current.tv is Al Gore's tv project

14:45 Morris Vig: Text will get bigger...but I fully expect text-spam legislation. Kinda like no-call lists.

14:46 Zuru Cult: its totally focused on the 3 minute format

14:46 Zuru Cult: short attention span

14:46 Zuru Cult: my kind of tv

14:46 Pete Sunnyside: the thing to think about too is that cell phones are going boradband and geeitng to move video.

14:46 Zuru Cult: and they focus on "viewer created content"

14:46 Morris Vig: Current has the tv network component, too.

14:46 Morris Vig: not just online

14:46 Ana Herzog: and not everyone in rural areas and "the rez" for example have video access.

14:46 Zuru Cult: yah, cell phones will be getting much fatter pipes soon with 3G

14:46 Pete Sunnyside: zuru did you find their stuff compelling?

14:46 Ana Herzog: i hate to beat a dead horse , but there is a technology gap

14:46 Zuru Cult: pete - yes, some of it is amazingly compelling

14:46 Zuru Cult: most of it is crap

14:47 Zuru Cult: ;-)

14:47 Drew Frobozz: OpenCongress.org + SMS is going to be huge-- instantly get 10,000s of phone calls to Congressional offices as the Member heads to the floor for a vote...

14:47 Ana Herzog: and we want to blast the rural areas of America

14:47 Morris Vig: pete - Current's coverage of Katrina was VERY powerful

14:47 Zuru Cult: and of soldier's experience in Iraq

14:47 Morris Vig: yes

14:47 Drew Frobozz: re: the technology gap...

14:47 Zuru Cult: current.tv is really poised to become somthing big

14:47 Drew Frobozz: also important to remember that it's important to reach the connectors in communities as well as the ultimate actors (voters)... so if we can reach people through technology who then reach another tier of people themselves through other means...

14:47 Pete Sunnyside: there is a lot of godo stuff coming out here.

14:47 Ana Herzog: we also have to be out there making the news to cover

14:48 Drew Frobozz: we're in good shape

14:48 Huggon Lustre: get a life people of the new planet

14:48 Ana Herzog: hecklers in the senate are good!

14:48 Morris Vig: lol

14:48 Ana Herzog: set up media events and cover em

14:48 Ana Herzog: that is hwat Rs do

14:48 Pete Sunnyside: hey, there is one area we ahve not hit upon yet.

14:48 Pete Sunnyside: social netowrking.

14:48 Zuru Cult: hey pete - I actually asked about mmorpgs and I mentioned second life specifically in a Q&A panel at the Cal State Dem Convention this year.. I

14:48 Ana Herzog: stage it , play it

14:49 Pete Sunnyside: did anyone see good examples in there?

14:49 Rik Riel: seems like every politician was on facebook

14:49 Morris Vig: DailyKos - Scoop blog format allowed for live networking

14:50 Zuru Cult: i think the current approaches to sicla networks used for grassroots is that they don't provide enough incentive to participate

14:50 Pete Sunnyside: do people here think that the myspce and feacebook space is ripe for potlics?

14:50 Ana Herzog: social networking action squads

14:50 Zuru Cult: peter - no

14:50 Sundog Sakai: greetings all

14:50 Ana Herzog: we can transform 'em

14:50 Zuru Cult: i mean, not without something more on them

14:50 Morris Vig: could be, pete...depends on how you present it.

14:50 Morris Vig: Keep it fun, keep it light

14:50 Zuru Cult: i think the more dynamic social networking apps can have more compelling application

14:50 Pete Sunnyside: the thing about social networking spaces is that's what potlics has always been about.

14:50 Ruby Glitter: Uh, overripe and starting to smell...

14:50 Zuru Cult: there is this site claled "twitter"

14:50 errcheck Hicks: I get mixed results, some here just want to escape. But many are open.

14:51 Pete Sunnyside: before the tech interface, all poltiics was about haulign in your soical networks to vote.

14:51 Zuru Cult: for example - twitter lets you share what ou are currently doing at the moment

14:51 Zuru Cult: it gets addictive

14:51 Zuru Cult: its "fun"

14:51 Zuru Cult: thats really key

14:51 Zuru Cult: I use linkedin a lot because i get something out of it (its an addressbook for me)

14:52 Ana Herzog: so how do we coordinate? twitter, facebook, blogs, youtube????

14:52 Zuru Cult: socialn etwork sites that don't provide an incentive to continue pariticpation die

14:52 Morris Vig: Pete - Did the BushCo reelection team have some online "precinct" component with incentives?

14:52 Ruby Glitter: I'm on twitter.

14:52 Rik Riel: technorati tags still work best for me

14:52 Morris Vig: Technorati is great

14:52 Ruby Glitter: tags are key.

14:52 Pete Sunnyside: wow, there is a ton of threads and good info here.

14:52 Rik Riel: or delicious

14:52 Ana Herzog: but old folks don't use em

14:52 Pete Sunnyside: I do tink we need to find a way to coordinate all this.

14:52 Zuru Cult: sure, tags are preally important for creating communities of interest

14:53 Ana Herzog: do we only want young people

14:53 Trevor Steptoe: I have a hard time seeing how facebook or myspace could have an effect on a campaign.

14:53 errcheck Hicks: Some email lists I am on shared a lot of the viral Videos in that social network group

14:53 Zuru Cult: I think we have to think about how to get the various target groups involved

14:53 Ana Herzog: users will vote in '08

14:53 Ruby Glitter: ana, to me old folks are already pretty engaged, and they knwo what they think.

14:53 Zuru Cult: free music for grassroots participation

14:53 Ruby Glitter: they'r just nt a target I worry about much, but their votes are very important.

14:53 Pete Sunnyside: the reasons I am interested in myspece, etc., is that the millennial generation is on ethem and they are poised to be a big power in poltics.

14:53 Morris Vig: Ana brings up a great point - where is the crossover point where the tech advantages convert to non-tech votes from Great Aunt Edna?

14:53 Zuru Cult: yah

14:53 Zuru Cult: good point

14:54 Drew Frobozz: facebook was being sold to me this weekend at RootsCampSF as the answer to my "personal CRM" problem... Basically I need an easy way to email blast my social network about politics and track results

14:54 Ana Herzog: and don't think great anut edna isn't only

14:54 Pete Sunnyside: say more drew.

14:54 Ana Herzog: online

14:54 Ana Herzog: she may be

14:54 Morris Vig: good point

14:54 Trevor Steptoe: It isn't that I don't see myspace changing social spaces for kids, but how does that translate into votes?

14:54 Ruby Glitter: No Deal, Drew.

14:54 Zuru Cult: i don't know - social network sites for organizing meetings, etc haven't been successful up until now

14:55 Drew Frobozz: after collecting contacts from about 10 different sources (Outlook, my Sidekick, AOL IM, LinkedIn, Plaxo, Ryze, people who have commented on my blog, etc.)

14:55 Ruby Glitter: facebook isn't any more prevasive than others. , None of them have 100% adpotion (obviously).

14:55 Ruby Glitter: the killer app will be one that is platform independent.

14:55 Morris Vig: Meetup 1.0 was great

14:55 Ana Herzog: facebook etc ar species and we need to think genera

14:55 Drew Frobozz: Salesforce is my best option right now... Someone should offer a hosted Salesforce configuration or CiviCRM configuration with that purpose in mind.

14:56 Drew Frobozz: Where NO ORGANIZATION gets the data-- but where your chosen orgnizations can send you email blasts to forward to your network at your discretion

14:56 Morris Vig: Did anyone see that CivicSpace just launched a hosted component? I think it's free...?

14:56 Zuru Cult: hmm

14:56 Zuru Cult: meetup was pretty good - but thats because it served the interest of the meeting organizers who were already incented to particiapte

14:56 Drew Frobozz: Morris-- we (CivicSpace) are $50/mo once we get up and running.

14:56 Morris Vig: Oh

14:56 Drew Frobozz: but you can still download the code and host yourself if you'd like

14:57 Drew Frobozz: sustainability....

14:57 In Kenzo's TELUS Motorola Q: In is accessing the TELUS roaming area...connecting to call.

14:57 Pete Sunnyside: the post eleciton meetup is this whole rootscamp phemon.

14:57 Glitteractica Cookie is Online

14:57 Zuru Cult: our meetups turned into a new chartered democratic club

14:57 Pete Sunnyside: that's why this is such an improtant deal.

14:57 Pete Sunnyside: both here and in the meatspace veion.

14:57 Pete Sunnyside: that is version.

14:57 Morris Vig: I was a Dean organizer in my region. Meetup was the glue. People could find us and we wouldn't know who they were when they walked in.

14:58 Viggo Engebretsen: veion?

14:58 Viggo Engebretsen: oh thank you

14:58 Viggo Engebretsen: lol

14:58 Pete Sunnyside: I was at the rootscamp San Fran and it was invigorating.

14:58 Drew Frobozz: and SecondLife is the virtual Meetup platform...

14:58 Pete Sunnyside: and this meeting right here is good too.

14:58 errcheck Hicks: Progressives have traditionally been rather factionalized, and narrowcasting to their base, but now they can reach out more...?

14:58 Pete Sunnyside: and then there will be others, and one in DC on Dec. 2-3.

14:58 Morris Vig: Agreed. The SL group is even stronger.

14:59 Ana Herzog: SL could be BIG in '08

14:59 Zuru Cult: we are in the heart of silicon vallye, and you'd be surprised how little uptake there was on the social networking tools that came out during/after the Dean primary campaign

14:59 Morris Vig: eh?

15:00 Ruby Glitter: Silicon valley is as much about $$$ as it is about tech.

15:00 Pete Sunnyside: I don't know what the timing is bor the next group, but do we need to wrap up?

15:00 Ruby Glitter: Yes.

15:00 Morris Vig: thx pete

15:00 Pete Sunnyside: let me say a few final tings, ok?

15:00 Ruby Glitter: Of course.

15:00 errcheck Hicks: Thanks Pete, you have been wonderful...everybody else too!

15:00 Pete Sunnyside: I think we have to really work hard to make sure we capture what happened in this ecltion.

15:01 Pete Sunnyside: what worked, what tools, what strategies.

15:01 Pete Sunnyside: we need to make strong arguemn t that this is sthe wave fo the futre, and the future is in 08.

15:01 Pete Sunnyside: we can['t let others define this eleciton as a fall back to the old ways.

15:01 Pete Sunnyside: it is the bvegginnings fo the new potlics.

15:01 Pete Sunnyside: that is where our heads are at at the new potlics institute.

15:02 Pete Sunnyside: and so outside of here we can also get more at newpoltics.net.

15:02 Pete Sunnyside: And I will stay around here too.

15:02 Pete Sunnyside: thanks.

15:02 Drew Frobozz: put teams at NPI to synthesize RootsCamp and to work on particular vectors of insight and need?

15:02 Trevor Steptoe: Thanks, Pete.

15:02 Ana Herzog: Pete, one quick question. how do you know what worked?

15:02 Drew Frobozz: and we're going to continue these RootsCamps in SL weekly after tomorrow...

15:02 Ruby Glitter: thank you so much. This has been very intersting.

15:02 Ana Herzog: woo hoo

15:03 Pete Sunnyside: thanks. I will go now.

15:03 Ruby Glitter: OK! Everyone sttand up and stretch!

15:03 Ana Herzog: lol

15:03 In Kenzo: drink some water

15:03 Drew Frobozz: fly!

15:03 Mobile Widget is Offline

15:03 In Kenzo: but not too far ;-)

15:04 In Kenzo: we're starting in a sec

15:04 Rik Riel: yeah!

15:04 Ruby Glitter: Or do it in RL....

15:04 Joy Link is Offline

15:04 In Kenzo: wanted glitteractica cookie to tell a little about what she's up to with techsoup

15:04 In Kenzo: while we transition to the 3PM interactive activism session

15:04 Drew Frobozz: ok next up...

15:04 Ruby Glitter: yes, we'll start the next session momentarily.

15:04 Glitteractica Cookie is Offline

15:05 Rik Riel: (glitter is crashing)

15:05 In Kenzo: glitteractica.....seems maybe crashing.....coming from techsoup. she'll be back in a sec. rik and i are here.

15:05 In Kenzo: go rik!

15:05 Rik Riel: woo hoo!

15:05 Ruby Glitter: As we are coming back together, i want to remind everyone of the many channels of communication we have for remaining in touch.

15:05 Zuru Cult: hey you guys see that Giuliani has formed an exporaltory cmte?

15:05 Ruby Glitter: First, please join the SL Netroots group here inSL.

15:05 Ruby Glitter: This way we can send notices when things are going on.

15:05 Ruby Glitter: We promise not send them as frequesntly as we have been doing this week. ;-)

15:06 Mobile Widget is Online

15:06 Morris Vig: New email just arrived: 78 Camp Wellstone grads got elected last week.

15:06 Glitteractica Cookie is Online

15:06 Zuru Cult: also, can you ask people to enter their real names on the wiki? To the exten they want to - I would like to know if I know folks here IRL...

15:06 Ruby Glitter: Also, we have a wiki at rootscampsl.org, a photo poll on Flickr, and are using the rootscampsl tag on delicious and technorati.

15:07 Glitteractica Cookie: hi gang

15:07 Glitteractica Cookie: i am having lag issues

15:07 Glitteractica Cookie: (sorry)

15:07 Ruby Glitter: Welcome, Glit!

15:07 Rik Riel: lap happens

15:07 Rik Riel: lag

15:07 Glitteractica Cookie: :)

15:07 Ruby Glitter: Everythign is a little funky today, and not is a good way. ;-)

15:07 In Kenzo: Glitteractica and Ruby I met at TechSoup

15:07 In Kenzo: a gathering that happens on Friday mornings for nonprofit leaders on Info Island

15:07 Ruby Glitter: Rik, are you facilitating this session?

15:07 Ana Herzog: friday mornings when?

15:07 Glitteractica Cookie: nonprofit anyone actually, friends, leaders, staff, etc

15:08 Rik Riel: I'm opening with some background

15:08 Ruby Glitter: Err, shaill I just sit down now. ;-)

15:08 Ruby Glitter: Great.

15:08 Glitteractica Cookie: 8:30 am

15:08 Joy Link is Online

15:08 Rik Riel: and then pssing on to In Kenzo

15:08 Ruby Glitter: You may wan tot get some quickl introductions.

15:08 Ana Herzog: ty

15:08 Rik Riel: for some detail on her project

15:08 Rik Riel: sure

15:08 In Kenzo: Yes, sounds great.

15:08 Ruby Glitter: Also, anyine who does not agree to posting te chat log and images of this session contact me ASAP.

15:08 Rik Riel: please take many pictures of me!

15:08 In Kenzo: me too! pictures are fun.

15:09 Glitteractica Cookie: ditto

15:09 In Kenzo: slpics.com ;-)

15:09 Rik Riel: hi all, thanks for coming this afternoon. It's an enormous pleasure t obe here.

15:09 Rik Riel: First I would like to ask Glitteractica to give some quick announcements about techsoup before she has to fly.

15:09 Rik Riel: then I'll do my intros/

15:09 Rik Riel: glitter?

15:09 Glitteractica Cookie: thanks!

15:10 Glitteractica Cookie: Ok, so I am sorry to have to rush in and out

15:10 Glitteractica Cookie: I have a meetign that I couldn't get out of

15:10 John445 Bachman: Sorry can stay, all the best

15:10 Glitteractica Cookie: but I wanted to say that you all are welcome to come to the weekly TechSoup meetings

15:10 Glitteractica Cookie: every Friday from 8:30-9:30 PST (SLT)

15:11 Glitteractica Cookie: and speak with other nonprofits in-world

15:11 Glitteractica Cookie: we are doing a number of projects

15:11 Glitteractica Cookie: including a nonprofit office complex

15:11 Glitteractica Cookie: that we are in the process of negotiating contracts and documents about

15:11 Glitteractica Cookie: that will be a place

15:12 Glitteractica Cookie: where nonprofits can get a free office

15:12 Trevor Steptoe: RL or SL complex?

15:12 Glitteractica Cookie: If you (or any other nonprofit organization) would like to get a free office in the Nonprofit Commons in SL, please send me an email with a little about your org, your plans for the work you would like to do in-world (if you are still in the idea stage,

15:12 In Kenzo: /amazing to have free and availalbe spaces for RL nonprofits to join us in SL

15:12 Ana Herzog: how are you defining nonprofits in sl

15:12 Rik Riel: free = good

15:12 Glitteractica Cookie: not bnecc a 501 C3

15:12 Glitteractica Cookie: any org wanting to do work for social change in SL

15:12 Ana Herzog: where do we send the ekmail?

15:12 Ana Herzog: email

15:13 Glitteractica Cookie: susan@techsoup.org

15:13 Glitteractica Cookie: (me in RL)

15:13 Glitteractica Cookie: i want to open up this opportunity to all nonprofits

15:13 Ana Herzog: cool.

15:13 Glitteractica Cookie: and we will be starting with a pilot project

15:13 Glitteractica Cookie: we have many otehr projects underway

15:13 Glitteractica Cookie: but I am limited in time now

15:14 In Kenzo: thank you glitteractica for sharing more!

15:14 In Kenzo: many people have been asking ;-)

15:14 Rik Riel: thanks for coming by on short notice

15:14 Glitteractica Cookie: if you are interested please come to our weekly meetings and/or email me at susan@techsoup.org

15:14 errcheck Hicks: TY

15:14 Glitteractica Cookie: the only requirement is that orgs have a plan to use the space

15:14 Rik Riel: I will alsohave the details available in a notecard I'm giving out

15:14 Glitteractica Cookie: that is, we don't want to give out spaces to orgs that will forget abotu them

15:15 Glitteractica Cookie: thanks RIK!!

15:15 Glitteractica Cookie: thansk for habving me

15:15 Glitteractica Cookie: and for letting me stop in and fly out

15:15 Glitteractica Cookie: I thinkthis is a great idea to have a roots camp in SL

15:15 Glitteractica Cookie: I will stop by l8r

15:15 Glitteractica Cookie: bye all!

15:15 Rik Riel: awesome

15:15 Krono Pro is Offline

15:15 Glitteractica Cookie: thanks ruby, in kenzo and Rik!

15:16 Ruby Glitter: Thank you!

15:16 Rik Riel: Susan and her team at Techsoup is a great example of what can be accomplished in-world.

15:16 Ruby Glitter: Glitteractica got me started in SL, folks!

15:16 Beth Kavka is Online

15:16 Ruby Glitter: Where woudl I be...?